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Scott MacKenzie hosts John Turner, CEO of Gafcon Digital, to discuss the application of digital twins in data centers and the construction industry. Turner emphasizes the inefficiencies in current construction processes due to silos and the need for a digital building lifecycle. He highlights the importance of digitizing construction through BIM and integrating data from various sources like reality capture. Turner explains the benefits of a digital twin, including predictability in safety, cost, and schedule, and mentions that buildings consume 41% of the energy in the US. He advocates for a transformational approach to organizational change management to achieve these efficiencies.

Outline
The episode features John Turner, CEO of Gafcon Digital, who is a leading voice in the world of digital twins.
John explains that Gafcon Digital focuses on developing a digital building lifecycle to improve efficiency in design, construction, and operations.
John emphasizes the inefficiencies in the current design-construction-operational process due to silos and legal enforcement.
Gafcon Digital targets serial builder-owner operators, particularly hyperscalers, retail, and life science sectors.
Standardization and Efficiency in Construction
Scott and John discuss the concept of standardizing construction processes, using McDonald's as an analogy for optimized design and building processes.
John compares the construction industry's lack of standardization to the automotive industry's use of lean techniques.
Scott and John explore the potential for standardizing data centers and other large-scale construction projects.
John introduces the idea of digitizing the construction process to create a foundational data model using BIM (Building Information Modeling).
Digital Twin and Reality Capture
John explains the importance of digitizing the construction process to create a foundational data model using BIM.
He discusses the role of BIM in integrating 2D, 3D, cost, schedule, embodied carbon, and document properties.
John introduces the concept of reality capture, including 360 cameras, photogrammetry, laser scanning, and LIDAR, to bring real-time data into the design process.
John differentiates between a visual twin and a digital twin, explaining the real-time monitoring and control capabilities of a digital twin.
Challenges and Organizational Change Management
Scott and John discuss the challenges of shifting the construction industry to a more efficient, digital-twin-based approach.
John emphasizes that the transformation has more to do with organizational change management than technology.
He explains the need for serial builders to change their processes to scale efficiently, especially for data centers.
John outlines the three-step evolution of the construction process: planning, design, construction, and operation, with a focus on a manufacturing perspective.
Benefits of a Digital-Twin Approach
John highlights the benefits of a digital-twin approach, including predictability in safety, cost, schedule, and quality.
He mentions that a BIM-centric approach can lead to cost savings of 10-15% in construction.
John explains that 80-85% of the cost of a building post-construction is in its life cycle operations.
He provides examples of how a digital-twin approach can improve efficiency, such as upgrading air conditioning systems in a university building.
Data Standards and Collaboration
John discusses the importance of data standards and communication among different teams involved in the construction process.
He explains the 3C approach: communication, collaboration, and correlation of data to improve overall performance.
John emphasizes the difficulty of implementing these changes in practice but highlights the benefits of predictability and efficiency.
Scott and John discuss the receptiveness of different industries to digitization and the importance of a holistic approach.
Energy Efficiency and Future Directions
John mentions that buildings consume 41% of the energy in the US, highlighting the potential for energy savings through digital twins.
He discusses the role of AI data centers in reducing energy consumption by being located near renewable energy sources.
Scott and John explore the potential for digital twins to predict and monitor energy use in buildings.
John offers to send Scott a paper on the subject and emphasizes the importance of addressing energy use in the digital-twin conversation.
Conclusion and Contact Information
Scott MacKenzie wraps up the conversation, emphasizing the importance of the topics discussed and the benefits of a digital-twin approach.
John provides his contact information for anyone interested in learning more about Gafcon Digital and their services.

JOHN TURNER'S CONTACT INFORMATION:
Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-turner-2b616/
Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/gafcondigital/
Company Website: https://www.gafcondigital.com/

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Industrial Talk is onsite at IoT Solutions World Congress and talking to Giuseppe Serio, Vice President at Upstream Security about "Active cybersecurity visibility into your connected assets!".

Scott MacKenzie and Giuseppe from Upstream Security discussed the critical importance of cybersecurity in the rapidly evolving field of autonomous vehicles. Giuseppe highlighted that modern vehicles, with up to 100 million lines of code, are incredibly complex and vulnerable to cyber attacks. He emphasized the need for proactive measures, such as secure-by-design principles, continuous monitoring, and resilient systems. Giuseppe also stressed the importance of education and awareness among consumers and professionals. The conversation underscored the necessity of integrating cybersecurity from the outset of connected technologies to ensure safety and security.

Action Items
[ ] Connect with Giuseppe Serio on LinkedIn to further discuss cybersecurity in the automotive and IoT industries.
[ ] Explore the services and solutions offered by Upstream.auto to address cybersecurity challenges.
Outline

Giuseppe's Background and Role in Cybersecurity
Giuseppe introduces himself, mentioning his work with Upstream Security in Frankfurt, Germany, and their focus on making mobility safe and secure.
Giuseppe explains his 20-year background in the automotive industry, including roles at IBM and consulting.
The conversation shifts to the complexity of modern vehicles, with up to 100 million lines of code, compared to the 2 million lines in an F-15 fighter jet.
Giuseppe emphasizes the importance of cybersecurity in the context of autonomous vehicles, given their increasing complexity and potential vulnerabilities.
The Necessity of Cybersecurity in Autonomous Vehicles
Scott MacKenzie and Giuseppe discuss the sophistication of autonomous vehicles and the need for robust cybersecurity measures.
Giuseppe highlights the potential risks associated with cyber attacks on autonomous vehicles, including the possibility of causing widespread congestion or harm.
The conversation touches on the importance of continuous monitoring and understanding of cyber threats to ensure vehicle safety.
Giuseppe mentions the regulatory changes in 2022 and 2024, requiring compliance and risk management in the automotive industry.
Approaches to Cybersecurity in the Automotive Industry
Giuseppe outlines the steps for building resiliency against cyber attacks, including raising the bar, building secure by design, and constant monitoring.
The discussion includes the importance of understanding and addressing anomalies, as sophisticated cyber attacks can be difficult to distinguish from normal vehicle behavior.
Giuseppe provides examples of how cyber attacks can manifest in real-world scenarios, such as remote car control and the potential for misuse.
The conversation emphasizes the need for a proactive approach to cybersecurity, with regular training and preparedness for potential attacks.
The Role of Digital Twins in Cybersecurity
Scott MacKenzie and Giuseppe discuss the use of digital twins to simulate and test potential cyber attacks on autonomous vehicles.
Giuseppe explains how Upstream Security provides stateful digital twins to understand vehicle behavior and perform forensic investigations.
The conversation highlights the importance of fixing the root cause of problems rather than just addressing symptoms.
Giuseppe shares an example of how safety and security measures in vehicles can have unintended cybersecurity implications, such as the consolidation of functions in the head unit.
The Importance of Cybersecurity in Connected Assets
Scott MacKenzie and Giuseppe agree that cybersecurity must be a priority from the design phase of connected assets, not an afterthought.
The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of cybersecurity and digital connectivity, with cybersecurity being essential for successful IoT implementation.
Giuseppe compares the current state of cybersecurity in the automotive industry to the early days of space exploration, acknowledging the challenges and the need for continuous improvement.
The discussion concludes with a call to awareness and preparedness for cybersecurity risks, encouraging listeners to stay informed and proactive.
Closing Remarks and Contact Information
Scott MacKenzie thanks Giuseppe for the insightful conversation and provides contact information for listeners to connect with him.

GIUSEPPE SERIO'S CONTACT INFORMATION:

Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/giuseppe-serio/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/upstream-security/

Company Website: https://upstream.auto/

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Industrial Talk is onsite at Accruent Insights and talking to Richard Leurig, President of Accruent about "A comprehensive connected asset management solution".

Scott MacKenzie and Richard Leurig discuss the Accruent Insights 2024 conference in San Antonio, emphasizing the importance of customer feedback and innovation. Richard, the new president of Accruent, highlights the company's shift from individual products to interconnected ecosystems, known as the "better everyday way." Accruent serves diverse industries, including higher education and asset management, offering solutions for space planning, facilities maintenance, and asset management. The conversation also touches on the rapid pace of technological change, the role of AI, and the importance of cybersecurity. Richard emphasizes Accruent's commitment to continuous improvement and customer-centric innovation.

Richard's Role and Vision for Accruent
Scott asks Richard about his role as the new president of Accruent and his vision for the company.
Richard emphasizes building an innovation culture and maintaining a customer-first approach.
He discusses the transition from individual point products to interconnected ecosystems, known as the "better everyday way."
Richard highlights the importance of continuous improvement and adapting to the ever-changing needs of their customers.
Overview of Accruent's Products and Services
Scott inquires about Accruent and the technologies that make up the company.
Richard explains that Accruent serves a diverse group of customers, primarily in workplace and higher education.
He details the various products and services offered, including space planning, facilities maintenance, lease administration, and asset management.
Richard mentions the integration of IoT, predictive maintenance, and anomaly detection in their solutions.
Change Management and Internal Transformation
Scott asks how Accruent helps companies transition to their comprehensive solutions.
Richard describes the internal transformation process, which involved combining best-in-class products into cohesive solutions.
He explains the concept of "de-silification" and the importance of serving customers with a full set of solutions.
Richard notes that the momentum behind this transformation was evident at the previous year's conference.
Consulting and Partner Network
Scott inquires about the support Accruent provides for customers looking to transition to their solutions.
Richard confirms that they have solution consultants and a professional services team to assist with transformations.
He mentions the importance of channel partners and technology partners in providing industry-specific consulting.
Richard emphasizes the holistic approach to installing and supporting Accruent products.
Customer Adoption and Business Challenges
Scott asks about customer concerns regarding the speed of innovation and technology changes.
Richard explains that customers adopt changes for various reasons, such as business challenges, sustainability, or productivity mandates.
He mentions the importance of making business cases to executives for adopting new technologies.
Richard highlights examples of how Accruent's solutions help customers with predictive maintenance and energy efficiency.
Future Trends and Generative AI
Scott asks about future trends and technologies that Accruent is focusing on.
Richard discusses the emergence of generative AI and its potential impact on maintenance technicians.
He emphasizes the importance of ensuring the safety and security of AI-driven solutions.
Richard mentions the need for segmenting AI to prevent it from pulling information from the public internet.
Cybersecurity and Information Security
Scott and Richard discuss the importance of cybersecurity in the context of connected environments.
Richard explains that Accruent has a robust cybersecurity and information security practice, leveraging resources from Fortive.
He highlights the importance of staying up-to-date with emerging trends and vulnerabilities.
Richard mentions the transition to cloud and SaaS solutions and the need for customers to feel secure with these products.
Relationship with Fortive and Facilities and Asset Life Cycle (FAL)
Scott inquires about Accruent's relationship with Fortive and the FAL group.
Richard explains that Fortive is made up of 18 operating companies, each with its own focus.
He describes the FAL group, which includes Accruent, Service Channel, and Gordian, and their focus on the entire life cycle of facilities and assets.
Richard highlights the integration of Fortive tools and practices to build products more efficiently and innovatively.

RICHARD LEURIG'S CONTACT INFORMATION:

Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rkleurig/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/accruent/

Company Website: https://www.accruent.com/

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Industrial Talk is talking to Abby Smith with Team Pennsylvania and Ronn Cantor with Dunmore about "Team PA's Factory of the Future resource".

Scott MacKenzie hosts a podcast celebrating industrial professionals and their innovations. In this episode, he discusses with Abby Kantor and Ronn Cort from Team Pennsylvania the importance of collaboration in manufacturing. Team Pennsylvania, a nonprofit since 1997, fosters collaboration between government, business, and education to support Pennsylvania's economy, particularly in manufacturing. They offer resources like the "Factory of the Future" website, which helps manufacturers integrate technology and connect with local support. Ronn shares how his company, Dunmore, restructured its maintenance and engineering teams using these resources. The conversation emphasizes the need for actionable, long-term strategies to support manufacturers' digital transformation.

Action Items
[ ] Manufacturers can visit PAmanufacturingfuture.com to take a quiz and identify where they are on their technology integration journey and find local resources to help them.
[ ] Dunmore will continue working to restructure their organization to better focus on automation, including potentially creating an on-site training center.
[ ] Manufacturers can contact Team Pennsylvania via their website or email if interested in getting involved.
Outline
Scott MacKenzie welcomes Abby and Ronn to the podcast, emphasizing their roles at Team Pennsylvania.
Abby introduces herself as the President and CEO of Team Pennsylvania, a nonprofit organization focused on collaboration for Pennsylvania's economy.
Ronn introduces himself as the President of Dunmore, a mid-sized manufacturer specializing in specialty films, foils, tapes, textiles, and specialized coatings.
Scott and Ronn discuss the importance of collaboration and the role of Team Pennsylvania in supporting manufacturers.
Overview of Team Pennsylvania
Abby explains that Team Pennsylvania was founded in 1997 and focuses on collaboration between government, business, and education for Pennsylvania's economy.
The organization hosts the Manufacturing Competitiveness Collaborative, involving manufacturers, business leaders, government leaders, organized labor, and education institutions.
The goal is to ensure the health of manufacturing in Pennsylvania through collaboration and technology integration.
Ronn shares his experience with Team Pennsylvania, highlighting the organization's role in supporting manufacturers and its public-private partnership model.
Manufacturing Competitiveness Collaborative
Abby describes the Manufacturing Competitiveness Collaborative as a platform for manufacturers to work together on common challenges.
The collaborative focuses on integrating technology into manufacturing and ensuring that manufacturers have the resources they need.
Ronn emphasizes the importance of action-oriented collaboration and the need for immediate results while also considering long-term benefits.
Scott and Ronn discuss the challenges manufacturers face in navigating government processes and the role of Team Pennsylvania in facilitating this.
Factory of the Future Resource
Abby introduces the "Factory of the Future" resource, available at PAmanufacturingfuture.com, to help manufacturers integrate technology.
The resource provides a quiz to help manufacturers identify their current stage in the technology integration process.
The resource also lists vetted organizations that can provide local support for technology integration, ensuring manufacturers connect with reliable partners.
Ronn shares his experience with the resource, highlighting how it helped his organization restructure and improve their technology integration efforts.
Impact of Team Pennsylvania on Manufacturers
Ronn discusses how the "Factory of the Future" resource helped his organization restructure their maintenance and engineering teams.
The resource provided best practices and local support, leading to more efficient and effective technology integration.
Abby adds that the resource also helps manufacturers secure funding by providing comprehensive strategies and demonstrating readiness for technology integration.
Scott and Ronn emphasize the importance of collaboration and the role of Team Pennsylvania in supporting manufacturers' digital transformation.
Abby's Leadership and Team Pennsylvania's Agility
Abby explains that Team Pennsylvania's small size and high altitude allow for nimble and responsive decision-making.

ABBY SMITH'S CONTACT INFORMATION:
Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abbykantorsmith/
Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/team-pennsylvania/
Company Website: https://teampa.com/

RONN CORT'S CONTACT INFORMATION:
Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronncort/
Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/dunmore/
Company Website: https://www.dunmore.com/

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Industrial Talk is onsite at OMG, Q1 Meeting and talking to Chris Ganacoplos with Preforce and Tim Schilbach with Penacity about "A connected industrial world requires sound cyber protection and compliance".

Scott MacKenzie hosts an industrial podcast featuring Chris Ganacoplos and Tim Schilbach. Chris, from Perforce, discusses DevSecOps and continuous compliance standards, emphasizing the importance of secure infrastructure and policy frameworks like NIST 800-171. Tim, from Penacity, highlights the Cybersecurity Maturity Model Certification (CMMC) designed to protect industrial secrets from adversaries. They stress the need for dynamic, adaptive security measures that balance innovation with compliance. Both experts advise businesses to seek professional help, consult authoritative sources, and establish a robust corporate governance program to navigate cybersecurity effectively.

Action Items
[ ] Educate yourself on applicable frameworks like NIST SP 800-171.
[ ] Consult with certified professionals to assess your organization's security gaps and develop a roadmap.
[ ] Reach out to Chris and Tim on LinkedIn for cybersecurity guidance.
Outline
Introduction and Meeting Setup
Scott MacKenzie introduces the Industrial Talk podcast, emphasizing its focus on industry professionals and their innovations.
The meeting is held at OMG Reston, Virginia, and is the Q1 meeting with a focus on problem solvers.
Scott introduces Chris and Tim, who are in the hot seat for the discussion.
Chris and Tim share their backgrounds: Chris from Perforce, focusing on DevSecOps and continuous compliance, and Tim from Penacity, specializing in industrial security and critical infrastructure.
Background on DevSecOps and CMMC
Chris explains his role at Perforce, focusing on DevSecOps and continuous compliance standards.
Tim provides a detailed background on CMMC (Cybersecurity Maturity Model Certification), its purpose, and its relevance to the defense industrial base.
Tim highlights the importance of CMMC in protecting industrial secrets and the implications for national security.
The discussion touches on the dynamic nature of cybersecurity standards and the need for continuous compliance.
Challenges in Maintaining Compliance
Chris discusses the importance of securing infrastructure and the role of policies in maintaining compliance.
Tim explains the complexity of dynamic environments and the need for continuous documentation and monitoring.
The conversation covers the challenges of ensuring compliance in rapidly changing environments and the importance of having a robust change control process.
Tim emphasizes the role of technology platforms like Puppet in automating compliance checks and maintaining security baselines.
Creating a Culture of Compliance
Scott and Tim discuss the importance of creating a culture of compliance within organizations.
Tim highlights the role of leadership in driving a culture of compliance and the need for effective communication and collaboration.
The conversation touches on the importance of automation in reducing costs and improving compliance.
Tim shares insights on the role of consultants and technology partners in helping organizations navigate compliance challenges.
Practical Steps for Small Businesses
Scott asks about practical steps for small businesses to start their compliance journey.
Tim advises small business owners to get educated, consult with experts, and seek out certified professionals.
The discussion includes the importance of understanding the business case for compliance and aligning technology with corporate governance.
Tim emphasizes the need for authoritative sources of information and the role of the cyber accreditation board in providing guidance.
Conclusion and Contact Information
Scott wraps up the discussion by emphasizing the importance of cybersecurity and the need for collaboration with experts like Chris and Tim.
Scott provides contact information for Chris and Tim, encouraging listeners to reach out to them for further guidance.
The podcast concludes with a reminder of the importance of staying informed and connected in the ever-evolving world of cybersecurity.

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