Christian Muggeo and Tim Weilkiens OMG Co-Chairs

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right once again, thank you very much for joining Industrial Talk a platform that is dedicated and celebrates industry professionals all around the world because you are bold, yes, brave. Yes. You dare greatly. Absolutely. You collaborate, you solve problems, and you're making this world a better place. And that's why we celebrate you absolutely on this broadcast. All right. And as you can tell, maybe you could tell that's pretty quiet right now, because this is a meeting and not a conference. We were with OMG on site, Austin, Texas. And I'm telling you, the interviews have been spectacular. And Christian and Tim, who are in the hot seat right now. It's not good to be there. Because because we have been having great conversations, so they gotta bring their A game to this conversation. But really, they have a podcast, so they should be doing great. Let's get cracking. Christian and Tim. Oh, by the way, Tim, I'm not sure if this is good or bad or whatever. But you win. You win the smallest business card. And if you're out there on videos, it's right there. There it is. And I guarantee I'll probably end up losing it. I don't want to lose it. But I'm gonna lose it probably. It's not out of disrespect for you, Tim. Okay. All right, Kevin. Good. Meeting, guys. Sure. Sure. No. Yeah, it was a long week. So we were here since you guys pop in.

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I am in the system. Working Groups. Yeah. So mainly the look at that last version. And we

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got it. Yeah. And you're getting ready to release that. That version two, you have version one for whatever. Whatever the timeframe is? Well, that's it. Yes. Yeah. Yes, exactly. And you're getting ready to launch up version to work. So a lot of work in those documents.

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It's amazing. It's it is 1000 pages. And that kind of sense. exactly five years ago, we started with the doc on the document. So it's a long time. A lot of people work on it a lot of defeating

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a lot of gnashing of teeth and, and and what always fascinates me, continued Christians, just FYI. I just said, Hey, Ted. But what Matt, fascinates me is that you're able to do this in a in a, in an environment that is constantly changing. It's like you could be you had five years ago. So you're one you're talking about stuff. It's not the same as I mean, there's just it happened so fast, because I'm so glad you're doing it, Tim, not me. I get to talk to you about it. Background Christian, give us a little more information on Christian.

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Yeah. Hello, my name is Christian Maggio. I'm a consultant and Product Manager at Context software. We are a PLM platform vendor from Germany. And yes, we have a couple of topics which are also in the interest of the country and the other way around.

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Mantis. Mantis. Yeah. Which is, which is a cool name, by the way, I think it winds the cool name of the OMG. I have to ask about context software. What is that?

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Yeah, it's a family owned business is located in Redmond, Germany. We are a PLM software vendor. What is that? PLM? Is the management of any information regarding the product development cycle. So example. The easiest example yes, everybody understands is managing your cat documents, your CAD files, your mechanical engineer or but that's it's the same for electrical engineering, also software engineering and everything has to come together. And somehow you have to manage the versions, the configurations and so on. And that's what

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would I be interested in using the solution for my P and IDs for my manufacturing or my into my whatever my business because they never get updated? You just sort of sit on the side and there it is. It just happens. All right. Christian, give us a little background into what Mantis is with OMG. Yeah. What do you guys do? What's that deliverable?

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Yeah, Mantis is a so called domain Task Force. It's somehow complicated how all these archetypes and FTS and so on work, but it's a domain Task Force is about manufacturing, and industrial systems. So that's SWOT Mantis stands for manufacturing technology and industrial systems. And, yeah, we are developing standards together with different people who have a demand of a standard regarding your manufacturing, but not manufacturing in the sense of assembling something. In the laundry sense, manufacturing is everything that's not software.

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Okay. But it has to be done and to sort of pull on the string a little bit. How has it changed what what's what's impacting manufacturing, because we've been in granted, manufacturing industry in general is being truly impacted by what has taken place from, from a technology perspective. And, and for me, personally, I can appreciate I can appreciate what you and others do, as well as Tim Tims right down there. Where there's that commitment to accuracy, that desire to really develop a standard that many can use to succeed, because it's happening. And I always think that you guys are at the tip of the sword here. What's what's happening? What's what's changing in manufacturing, that, that needs this type of standards? What what's going on?

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Yeah, I would say, especially since all these industry 4.0, or IoT discussions, people are getting the idea that systems and also digital twins of products have somehow to communicate with each other. And, of course, in that that's true for the usage phase of the product. But it's also true for the manufacturing phase, or even for the development phase of a product. And people are getting more and more issues with combining these this information, the data and so on. And that's exactly where we start. And we get in and say, Hey, why isn't there a standard for that?

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And then, of course, because of OMG, and all these working groups, and then you start saying, is that really a need for a standard, then you start to debate it, and then you start yelling at each other, and then you start doing everything that you're supposed to do.

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That's roughly how it works. Yeah. Roughly,

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maybe not. Maybe not in order. You know, Tim, I didn't ask you about OOSA

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OOSA. Yeah.

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Okay. Got it there. What is that all about? Innovative?

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Magic. Yeah, that's German. So we have German consultancy harmony. And while we consult and train people in the context of software and systems engineering, so all the hotspots that are in those projects, so systems engineering, like what we did here, software engineering, software architecture as project management, but also soft skills, and organization of companies. So that's, let's definitely,

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this is interesting, because I think that there, there's all of this stuff that you guys are doing, which is great, I really can appreciate it. But all of it all the efforts here, there is a there's a real necessity to educate. There you have it, you guys just live it you guys have that conversation. You've got your, your your posse, your technical posse, and you have these conversations, and then you know, y'all thumbs up, and that's great. But then there's the masses, me included, that need to be on this journey to tell the story to understand why it's important. And it's not. And it's approachable. Like I don't have to, I don't have to worry about, I know that we have to do it. But it's just an interesting challenge that there needs to be this, this education component. Now, that said, there's my segue, because I know what to do. You guys have a podcast, because you're passionate about education to write it. So if you're not, then don't have a podcast, because that's what it's all about. Yeah. Give us a little background on in the studio, Christian, or who started the podcast first. Were you guys just sort of hanging out together? And you said, Hey, let's have a podcast. It's basically exactly that. You're having a beer, and then let's do a podcast.

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I think it was some combination with a beer. Yes.

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We're in preparation for a conference in Germany. And yeah, we talked about things of SSML v2, and it was getting more and more and more and we thought we can do all that in our presentation on the conference. And by the way, why isn't there a podcast about it? We decided, let's start with

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there it is. I love that and and for that flavor. Now, what is the focus of your podcast? Tim?

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The focus is model based systems engineering. So that's the overall topic. And then we will have each podcast episode, I guess, from this domain and talk about a tool or whatever.

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See, see, I've always looked at podcast as sort of a way of just sort of wetting the whistle of interest. So you know, it's, it's like it's a podcast. And that means you're not going to dive real deep. But I'm always fascinated by topics like yours, because fortunately, for many, I can't do that. I just started. Yeah, this is great stuff. But for you, you have that that sort of deep conversations into the technology into what's taking place? How do you manage the time? Right? How long are you? I mean, come on, you know, as well as I do. I could, I could pretty much ramble on for a little while. How do you what's your strategy behind the timing of these conversations?

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Yeah. So we basically plan to have 30 minutes episodes with what do you

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discuss? I mean, I can understand how I do. It's all just fluffy. But how do you how do you go ahead? And I'm sorry? Yeah,

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so So without the maximum of 60 minutes, but we know that listeners hear it, why the commute and 30 minutes isn't, is a good time frame? And yeah, we are definitely preparing a kind of a script in advance. So we have a kind of a Google document, sharing it with our guests with some basic questions where we want to get around and where we don't want to get around maybe, and

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you're definitely better than me. I just sort of go like, Yeah, talk to me about that. really mad. Yeah, I always I take the position that I'm the student, and I'm there to learn. And I'll ask the questions that I'll never get. I mean, it's just is what it is. But I enjoy that dialogue. I enjoy. So Tim, you so you have this, this passion, this desire, you're now you've got this podcast, and it's a video, right? And what was it like with the first one?

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Well, the first one was very exciting. And we did it without a guest. And we did it in German or an English war on the safe side. And yeah, I think it was only six minutes or 10 minutes was the the Hello World up our podcast. Yeah. So it was very short. And then the next one, I think, was also only with us and in German. And then got more more experienced.

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So when I, when I went down that road, and I said, Yeah, I'm gonna do this. And I remember vividly the first one, because I had everything in place, right? You got the mics, you got all this stuff ready to go? I guess I got to do it. Right. I gotta have a conversation, and then just doing it. And then you get it done. I remember this, I downloaded it. I said, What? One person but it was like, victory running. And it's so funny, because, uh, but then then again, your format your focus, you have to bring a sense of expertise to Yes, you know, you're not like me, you have to be able to have that expertise to be able to add real value and expand upon it. Do you use some of the stuff here from OMG in it? And you know, this is what we're doing that type of thing and be able to sort of bring that to that attention to into your your podcast? Sure.

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Sure. Especially when we are talking about the SysML v2 so we had several episodes now we had an unboxing episode looking into the public available version we had at cider with one time on the podcast, we are planning other podcast episodes now when the release is coming. And yeah, they are, of course, okay. All the all the information and all the experience we gathered in the last year or so. So some LP to

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do you dismiss all here, do you get individuals approach? And you'd say how do I how can I get involved? Right? How can I be a part of OMG or what you're doing? How do I get them off? You have that

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Tim? You mean get involved in the OMG

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Yeah, I'm listening to you. I hear what you're saying. I'm pretty stoked about the information we I want to get involved. I'm a company I think that that adds value.

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Well, many people are interested in how it works yet they already but then when they

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try to figure it out Have you do it?

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Typically in Germany? Most companies I know then when they realize, okay, cost effort. I've traveled to the US. And then they said, no, no, that's I don't have time.

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We'll listen to your podcast. You can go and take notes. And then if I have any questions, I'll talk to you right. Now. But that's, that's, that's very interesting. Christian, how long have you been doing what you do your business from a professional perspective? How long?

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Depends on how you count it. So I'm, in my fourth year now and in context software. But I was working as a research assistant at the University of Kaiserslautern for five and a half years before in the same field.

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There you go. And YouTube.

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Oh, I am then Admired Companies since now. 21 years? No way. Very long time.

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Yes. And that you

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are a special company. So we are cooperative. So the company is owned by all the employees.

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I'm sorry, I'm, I'm looking at it. So don't mind me as I look at it all filled in the blank spaces with voice. So it is so everybody owns it.

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Everybody owns it. And we are also self organized. So we got rid of all our bosses.

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So we have I don't know, I don't understand. How do you do that?

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So but self organized. So we have an organizational structure?

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Like some some crazy you know, whatever

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you write well, we have we have some some rules how to do decisions, and

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there's no boss well, but on the paper, I'm the boss but but only on the paper so

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and the dot d is that that? Where is that the USA? Germany? Is that Germany? Know that? Curious? Make sure that's the case. I'll be there. We Oh, you gotta calm analyze. Whatever. All right. Okay, how do people get a hold of you, Christian? Saying, hey, I want to get a hold of Christian. What's the best way to talk to you? Email,

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LinkedIn, email, any social net? Oh,

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what's the name of your podcast?

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It's the MBS e podcast. And it's available on YouTube on Spotify, Amazon music, Google podcast and Apple Music.

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And Tim, how do they get ahold of you?

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The best is on LinkedIn, I would say. But I'm also on any other platform. So if I'm on Facebook, or whatever,

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where I don't use Facebook. I'm not gonna put a Facebook link out there. All right, you guys were absolutely wonderful. Thank you very much for Oh, you just you just you just came up to me last night and just say, hey, it'd be great. We do a podcast. Oh, I got I got all hyperventilated. I thought it was great. All right, we're gonna have all the contact information for Tim and Christian out on Industrial Talk. So if you're not, you will be able to contact him and you must contact him because they're that good. All right. Stay tuned, we will be right back.

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That was Christian. And Tim, thank you very much for joining Industrial Talk and delivering some truth bombs. At the OMG Q4 meeting in Austin, Texas. Now here's the call to action for everybody out there. One, you need to make sure that you are constantly educating just like Christian and Tim, they're constantly feeding their minds, and they're, they're trying to learn more and more and they're trying to gain greater insights into all of the activity and all of the innovations that are taking place in industry. That's why to, to do that effectively, I highly recommend that you go out to OMG God org. And the reason I say that is that there's there's just a collection of problem solvers out there that are all engaged and that are all passionate about solving problems. And because because it is got happening at such an a tremendous speed. You need to be able to do that and you need to be able to, to, you know, innovate as you go along to and that just requires you to educate, collaborate, and of course, innovate and Christian and Tim, definitely, we're gonna have all the contact information for those two gents out on Industrial Talk, so if you want to reach out to them, please make that a priority. And the reason why I keep on harping on this whole innovation stuff and this need to educate I am an F One nut. So I'm going to be doing a series on how to line up f1 racing with with industry and taking the principles of f1 and why it's so incredible and trying to align it with industry. So be on the lookout for that series. All right, be bold, be brave, daring greatly. You've got some call to actions reach out to these to Jensen OMG and you're gonna change the world. So we're gonna have more coming from this offense. So stay tuned.