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Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's go. All right, you Welcome to everybody around the world. Thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast. You are industry heroes. Absolutely. This is what this platform right behind me is all about celebrating you, you industry hero, you are bold, you are brave. You dare greatly. you're solving problems. You're changing the lives of people around the world, and you are changing the world. And that's why we celebrate you on this platform. Each and every day. Try to try to change my mind. You can't do that. All right. Another absolutely phenomenal interview again, her name is Lou Juana Michelle. Got it. And she is the founder of sky Max and she's the head cheese. She that's what she is. And what we're going to be talking a little bit about is going to be talking about personal and professional development. It's all leadership stuff, especially in this whole world of change. lawanna How you doing? Great. Great, great. Great. Good afternoon, Scott. Thanks for having me. Is, this is the crawfish edition. If you're out there on, on video, you'll see that I've got a platter full of crawfish because I can
because I'm down here in Louisiana. And you and you don't I just tried here. It's right here. Let me just sort of show it to you. There it is.
All right, this is going to be a great conversation because I think that it is timely. That's one. I think you bring a sense of wants, purpose, energy and the need to have this particular conversation, especially in this time a pandemic COVID, squiffy changing, do this, don't do that, whatever it might be. And for many, that's a hell of a lot of change. And I don't like it. But before we get into that topic there, give us a little background a 411 on who you are. Yes. So again, thank you so much Scott, for having me and for
reaching down and just saying, Hey, you know what, let's have this conversation. So I am want to hear is also known as Michelle, owner of IMAX business strategies, where we hold on, hold on, I gotta back up. Did I just screw up the Harris and the Michelle? I've got so many names here.
No, you are so great. My
actual name is Lauren Harris, but also on Amazon and Mattel under the business. So
on social media, you will find me as lawanna Harris. Got it? I see it up there.
If you haven't if you're out on on on Instagram, Yes,
I am. Alright listeners, we're gonna keep this all look coordinated at industrial talk comm
you'll be able to get a hold of her continue.
Alright, and so my life purpose and my purpose of everything that I do, I like to encourage and empower others to live their fullest potential. I do that through personal and professional development.
And leadership development, I do facilitation team building, that's making your life just a tad easier. If you're trying to go from chaos to clarity in your life. If you're trying to get your thoughts out of your mind and onto paper, I help you with that. So whatever, whatever you're going through whatever it is, it's trying to get to your highest potential, your greatest potential, I'm here for that. And I help you do that.
I'll share with you and listeners of an event that took place in my my life. And it was the realization that I didn't have a purpose. And it wasn't a comfortable feeling. And so I was very fortunate to be introduced to a gentleman that was saying, Hey, you got to have a purpose. And and I didn't know what it meant at that time. But it was truly transformative. So listeners, I think that if you're struggling with a purpose, this is the podcast for you. If you want to try to find your purpose, this is the podcast for you. And onward and onward. Okay, so with that said, and I'm gonna pose this particular
the topic that we want to talk a little bit about, and I think it's an interesting topic is post traumatic growth. I don't know what that is, because you're gonna define that, and resiliency, I got that, but I want to be able to expand on that. And then overcoming obstacles. That makes sense, right, and transforming that mindset. Let's talk a little bit about what is post traumatic growth? I have no idea what that is. Okay, awesome. So one of the things that I came across this term, and it's actually a term that it was researched by me and that his last name is esky. And he has basically said that if you don't know about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, reading
There is that that experience where you experience a traumatic event. And every time something reminds you of that event, it's like you're experiencing that event all over again. So all of those emotions, all of those feelings, all of those negative feelings come up and you have this behavioral issue, you have this response to that. Well, the post traumatic growth is basically an experience of positive change that occurs from a struggle or a highly challenging life crisis. So for example, for someone who is going through a divorce, or someone who is maybe has gone through a traumatic experience, maybe experienced someone that maybe died, or someone's something that was traumatic to them, instead of going through the post traumatic stress disorder, the other option is growing through that traumatic experience. And post traumatic growth is so much different than resilience, when you think of resilience, and I don't know, if you want to go ahead and get into this, now, you're driving this pager, shepherding this car forward, go
When you think of resilience, and this is a, I've always considered myself, I'm a resilient person, right? And the resilience is something happens, and I'm bouncing back to where I was, before this event happened. I bounced back, I can bounce back from this, you know, maybe lost a job, like a bounce back from that. I can, you know, maybe I, you know, lost in my my situation, I've lost, you know, lost the house and lost them, you know, marriage. And I was able to there were times I'm able to bounce back in certain situations, and the reason that's resilience, but the post traumatic growth is out of that experience. Now, you are a totally different person, your mindset is different. Your we can get into this five different areas that we, you know, we can talk about, it's so much it's such a different experience, you're not bouncing, bouncing back, you're not the same person that you were before that experience, you're totally different. And you are growing from that experience and have that net experience not happen, then, you know, you may not have grown. So that's that's totally different from resiliency. I love that analogy. Because I think that it's when we start talking about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Yes, that's
unfortunate. It's a reality. And there's a lot of negative stuff. But what you're talking about here, it sounds though term traumatic, sounds sort of negative, but it's not, we're not talking about we're talking about positive change in somebody. And you have to have that sense of you got to go through challenges, right, you just got to do and you can't get on the other side. And it does, to your point, change you forever. Yeah, I think sort of. So let's talk a little bit about those
three to five
items that you have out there. Okay. So the things that Tedeschi he talks about, there are five different areas that if you are really trying to grow from a traumatic experience, there's different areas that you really have to plug into. You have to have an appreciation or a new appreciation for you know, for life in general, that gratefulness a lot of times we're so focused on the things that are not going right in our life. You know, my kids are not asking right or, you know, I don't have the house that I want, or I'm not making the money that I want or whatever it is, we're so focused on that. But how about turning that mindset of said, you know, what, I'm grateful that over this year, I have been able to spend more time at home. This is just me, this is my experience. So this over the course of the year, I'm you know, working from home, and so I've been able to experience gratefulness now I can I can find my home a little bit better, you know, just just grateful. I'm grateful that my children are healthy. You know, God asked you this. That's, that's good. And I am, I'm all about that I'm all about. You have to get into the habit of saying, Hey, this is good. It's too easy for me to go to the negative. It's like there's this there's, there's resistance to the positive, there's no resistance to the negative, I could go and start thinking bad things and complaining and moaning and groaning. How do you how do you help people to just say, okay, just start thinking from a grateful perspective. Yes. And do that. Yeah. And so and so this is not something that Scott I want to just really throw out that this is not something that is going to literally happen overnight. This takes work. When you go through, you know, this is a mindset change.
So when you are, for me, I journal, I write down some of those things that I you know, right now, I'm thankful for my home, the exact house that I want, but I'm grateful for that I'm thankful for, that I'm able to have a car may not be the exact car that I want, or, you know, I'm grateful that I'm able to get from here to be so it's really being intentional one of them and people that know me know that I love that word intentional, because it takes
the word intentional, intentional, got it? Yeah, the word intentional, you have to be intentional. And you have to have the, the why behind that. And that has been grateful, as sometimes push you to that. But you have to be very intentional. It takes time it takes it takes work to transform your mindset, it takes work to go from someone that you may have been, and the way that operated for years, to say and now I want to grow from this experience. And what does that, you know, what does that mean? And it takes
time, and I'm telling you, you're touching on a couple of really important points, and one is the being intentional, but you're gonna have to in that journey, you're gonna have to just have that mindset of it. It but but we're all adults in this room, start small, you don't have to have the Big Bang Theory, just very small.
I'm gonna be thankful for whatever food. I'm thankful for food, because well, I'm committed to the food. But you understand. I mean, you got to start to start incrementally, but it does change change, you got to do that. Yeah, I like that and understand the why I love that listeners. Listen to that, that is sage advice. Okay, that is appreciation of life. And, and that's number one. Let's talk about number two. All right. So even with that, so now that you have this great appreciation for life, and you're trying to change this mindset, and trying to really go from, I want to grow from this experience, you have to make sure that people that are around you are the people that are going to help you grow and not keep you in that space. And that place of bondage. And I say
it is a place where you're held, and you feel like you can't get out of there. So you have to have those relationships, improved relationships, and sometimes this is very hurtful, or it can be very uncomfortable. Because you have people that you have been a part of your life for years, it may even be family members. And
it's gonna be family members.
If you notice, to have this, this, this, this this intentionality to say, I love my friends, I love my family. However, I have to be open to new relationships. And that's not just that can be business relationships. That can be partnerships. That could be friendships that can be and when I say relationships that always made, okay, now I have to get a new set of friends. It could be associates, it could be mentors, it could be advisors, because you want these people to bring you to a place that you've never been before. And so you have to get people that are there. Like I always say, you know, I don't want somebody that's in the same boat as me, because that means we're on the same way or we're in the spirit. We don't like the blind leading the blind. Yeah, I want somebody out in the boat. I want somebody on the other side of
that saying, hey, Mulana don't go that way. Because there's some trees, there's some rocks over there. Because I know because I've been there, but I need you to go to the left, I need to go this way, because it's safer this way. Or this is the way that you need to go to get to where I am. And that's just also being you know, it takes if you let go of your pride, it takes you letting go of, you know, some people, you don't necessarily have to totally cut people off. But even though you have to have some improved relationships. I used to be a probation and parole officer back in the day in my former life. What we hear you're only 23 right now, are you doing it when you were three years old? That's right. You noticed it?
Yeah. And so and I bring that up, because when you have people that are coming out of my experiences, you have to put them somewhere different if they want if you want them to have a different life. And so when we had people that were coming out of the criminal justice system, or you know, they were wanting to do better, um, nine times out of 10 they had nowhere to go. But that's the case that
Help them bonded? Got them in trouble in the first Yeah. So you have to have improved relationships. If you're trying to grow, you have to cut off something.
I, for okay listeners, what we've got is we've got an appreciation for life, that gratitude spirit. We've got, you know, act with intentionality and understand that why I love this particular point improve. And I'll just say, your relationships or your network, whatever you want to call it. And, and I got to tell you, you're spot on. I always, I got it. I got a follow on question with that one. But I always ask people to say be bold, be brave, and dare greatly, but hey out with people who are bold, brave and daring greatly, and you'll just change the world. And they'll challenge you. The challenge I have is how do you find those people? What do you do? How do you how do you get out of that, that existing network and try to go? Going over here? Okay, so great, great, great question. So I would also say that I'm a master networker, and I love to network with people. Yeah. So pre COVID, there were various events that were around Tulsa, that I would attend, you know, I would go and connect with people. And there were times when I would literally not just hand somebody a business card. Because nowadays, it's you know, the business cards, what do you do with the business cards you put in your pocket, you forget, later on? Hell, we're connected on LinkedIn. We're connected on social media we're connecting. And not to mention, once I connect with somebody, initially, I sometimes I would even take a picture and send it to them and say, Hey, this is this is one I remember we met at whatever. So when they go back, and I say, Hey, how are you doing? There's a picture of me and you, and we're fine. This is in use the video capability to me again, yeah, I love it.
I love that. It's so it's just literally getting out of your comfort zone when you are growing, is going to be growing, that's going to an acorn has grown into an oak tree or whatever. It has to be planted in the first and then it has to break open. And then it has to go through extra dirt and has to grow out of that to hit
the hit the hit the air. That's uncomfortable. That's
the grow. You have to get out of your comfort zone. Yeah. And in industry, we don't like that. We just don't we don't like that hole. I'm comfortable. Don't tell me to do that, please. But you know, what I have found and this is just sort of a deviate from our conversation here is that with the pandemic, pre pandemic, we all had the answers, right? We were all in control of our destiny and whatever it might be, we could never show that that vulnerable side pandemic hits, the you know, everything's out the door, right? And I don't know what to do you know, what it did? It freed everybody else up to be vulnerable and saying, I don't have the answer, I need help. I need to be a part of another network that might have a little snippet of the answer that I'm looking for. I love it. I love to talk about number three, talk to us about number three. Alright, so let's talk about being open to new possibilities. Again, this is a
conversation, open to new opportunities.
You have to be open to the new, you have to be open to new opportunities that as you continue to grow. And as your mindset changes, it's going to you're going to naturally, you're going to attract new opportunities, and you have to be open to that you have to say, you know, this may may be something totally different. This may be a new, you know, learn something new. This may be something that I've never known about this maybe a topic or new skill. But you have to be open to those new opportunities and say whatever it is that maybe you have never experienced. There it is possible. Whatever dream that you have, you know, you've had in your life, man, it is possible.
And so that's really important is being open to that just saying, you know, I I'm open to it. I'm open to learning and connecting. And again, that's gonna require you to get out of your comfort zone. All right, let's see, we got we've got grateful we've got improve your network. And now she's, she's amping it up and she's saying open to new opportunities. I'm getting all nervous now. So why don't we Why don't we have about the fourth fourth one
Up until your personal friend, say that again, you tap into your personal strength.
So it means I've got it, you got to look into myself now, I've already you've already made me look out, be grateful, I'm already struggling with that one. And now I'm looking at changing my network.
There's no particular order to all of these, it's, you know, you may say, I do not want to tap into my purpose. And there's a lot of ways to do that. There's so many different assessments, there's so many different behavioral tests, and all of those things that you can take to really look at. What are my strengths, you know, you have spiritual gifts, you have all of these different gifts that you have. I know, one thing that I did a few years ago, I
sent a text message to about 20 people. And then with my closest friends and family, and I just asked him, I said, you know, what, what do you think when you think of me? What are my top three strengths? And they, and they, and they gave it to me, and over a period of time, I had like, over 30 words, that I would have never looked at myself I've ever seen. That's brilliant.
That's an that's a way to do that. Because, you know, a lot of times you don't see what other people see. And so you're you tap into their personal strength. You ask them, What is that? And then also, what are some of those things that I do feel like I can work on? No, I don't want to hear those. That's
Yeah, no, I'm just telling you right now that that, for me, personally, is a tough one. I don't want to hear what people have to say about me. I'm afraid.
I don't want it. Yeah. And you know what, that's the natural response, right?
We don't want to hear because nine times out of 10, we want to know that we're doing a good job. I don't think anyone follows up, you know, wakes up in the morning and says, You know what, I'm gonna treat somebody badly today, or I'm gonna, you know, make somebody's life miserable today. Nobody ever does that. Nobody unless you're a horrible person.
I think I've come across people who said that?
No, I think people really have the intentions of being a good person. However, sometimes those intentions is not what other people see, they see our behavior. And so our intentions are totally different from how we are, you know, seen by other people. Now, I would love for people to say, Hey, you wanna even though your intent and your intent may not have been this, but this is how it impacted me. Or this is how it impacted the situation. And if, again, if you're trying to grow after certain experiences, you have to get that feedback from other people. It's just something that you have to do. You do. And you gotta you gotta have some courage in areas. I mean, nobody likes to hear bad stuff, but you got to have to sort of dig deep and,
and be courageous. We have one more point. But I want to review the the fours that we have.
All right, once again, we could talk about be grateful. We're talking about improving that network, those relationships that are in your life. And once again, we don't have to say that it's all in this order or not, it's just happens to be on my list this order, you don't want to be in the same boat with everybody else. Let's find some people that are in different boats, different perspectives, I'm telling you will not
open to new opportunities. Yes, no matter how uncomfortable that might be open to new opportunities, and the one that I am struggling with the most tap into your personal gifts or strengths and figure that one out. And then she had to up it and say, Why don't you ask your friends to provide some feedback?
I might have to edit that one out.
Number five, and this is in for me, this is huge. This is their spiritual connection. Yeah, a lot of times, you know, for me, I was raised in the church and raised in, you know, believe in God and believe in
you know, how I was just how I was taught Baptist Church. However, when you are in a traumatic experience, you want to make sure that you do have that, that that create that spiritual connection for me, you know, letting go letting go of the religion. So when you think of religion, it's a it's something that you do consistently. It's something that you know, sometimes I you know, I do this and I check it off, I check the box, and that's it. But having that spiritual connection is so much deeper than that. It's so much it's really connecting to your Creator. It's really connected to, you know, and really understanding like, what is it what is my purpose, but it's my purpose in life. I
need guidance, I need direction, I need peace, you know, and tapping into that spirituality will help you gain that. And that's something that you have to be intentional about. There, you know, I'm not sure how, you know, people believe or the belief system, but you have to have that level of spirituality and knowing and believing that there's something greater than you. That is there for you that's helping you that's going to guide you and keep you in perfect peace.
I think that wraps it up. Yeah, in a nice, concise package and somebody like me, right? I do need that. But somebody like me, I like to see how all of this stuff
pulls together. So this is what I'm looking at.
We we spoke about post traumatic growth, that is positive change. And to really achieve that positive change, there's a there's a necessity to bounce back a five points, listeners, the five points that I want to make sure that you walk away five, that only five, you don't have to sit there and go, it's too much. Don't tell me that is be granted. Have gratitude. appreciate life. I love that sense, a sense of intentionality and understand the why. Let's look at your network. Go beyond that one network, start changing the people you're hanging out with, you don't want to be in the same boat. Let's look at, you know, new opportunities. There's a lot of good growth there. There's a lot of great opportunities. We're also talking about the tough one for me to tap into your personal gifts and strengths. Then that additional one if you want to reach out to your other networks and have them be you know, and then the last one to pull it all together because what we want to be able to do is have that positive change, spiritual connection. And that's a whole nother conversation happen. Not just like, it's great to say it but there is a journey there baby. There is a journey there. Hey, are you active out there on LinkedIn? I am so under LinkedIn. I'm lawanna Harris and be on Instagram. I am low on Facebook.
And I haven't begun to post tik tok stuff.
Maybe I should look at number three and new opportunities.
My son did tic toc and he's got his own stuff. And it's funny. It's like, Okay.
Not a big deal. Yeah, I've got all our contact information. I've got our personal Facebook, Sky Max, which is really i like i like the name of that sky. Max, Inc. I like that. And then on the website, please note everybody lawanna Michelle, right, Mike? Yeah, right. And and her name is Luna Harris. Okay, insane. This math is hard. We got you covered. We'll be okay. And I got all the other contact information that you need. So don't come to me and say I can't get a hold of her because well, she is easy to get hold. Yeah. You were absolutely a delight. Thank you very much for being on the industrial talk.
Oh, these topics. All right, listeners. We're gonna once again, you go out to industrial talk.com you're going to find everything you want to know about lawanna you need to get her. She got mad stat guard out there. She's got some great skills. So don't don't disappoint me reach out to her. All right, we're gonna have another great interview right around the corner. As you will always know. Thank you very much for joining the industry talk podcast. We will be back later. You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.