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Alright, welcome to the industrial talk podcast, the number one industrial related podcast in the VA universe. I don't think I'm overselling that one bit. If you think I am just, you know, go out to industrial talk calm and let me know why. But it is aware it's a platform that celebrates you industrial professionals, industrial heroes, you are bold, you are brave, you dare greatly. you innovate. You change the world, you solve problems, you're changing the lives and and boy, why not celebrate? And you know what? You're not just you don't want that legacy thinking baby. You're always just pushing it out there making our lives better. Thank you very much. All right, in the hot seat, we've got a gentleman by the name of Jonathan Baktari. MD. And we're going to be talking about going back to work, trying to pursue getting getting back to normal. What does that look like? What does it mean? And he knows everything about what we were talking about COVID you name it. vaccination, what's important for doctors really sound sage advice. Let's get cracking with the interview. Yep. great conversation. timely, big time timely, big break big time timely. All right, you know, we're about we do not entertain legacy thinking here on this particular podcast, not one bit. Nope. Don't even ask me about it. We're always talking to people that are innovators. Real trailblazers, people and companies that are committed committed to helping us have better lives. How about that? How about that for a noble cause? Now, you know, industrial talk is all about education, industrial education, and industrial talk believes that it's through education, that you're going to change lives, and you're gonna change the world. And I think what's taking place within industry, the industry for Dotto, all of the the interested in digital transformation activities that are going out there, it's going to happen, it's going to happen big time. And it's a beautiful thing. And it's a great time to be alive. So in light of that, we've got an event that you need to put on your calendar. It's brought to you by those wonderful people at IoT solutions World Congress, and the industrial internet Consortium. This is October 5, through the seventh in the beautiful town. It's not town, beautiful city of Barcelona, I've been there a couple of times broadcast from there, look into broadcast again, from this particular event, October 5, through the seventh, they're going to be talking about IoT, they're gonna be talking about AI, they're going to be talking about digital twins, they're gonna be talking about robotics. And one, it's pretty cool. quantum computing, how about them apples, they are always pushing the envelope, the people who go to this particular event, push the envelope, it is a great opportunity to truly meet professionals that have a big heart and want to change change the world. All right, the next one. The manufacturing and technology show, this is in Cleveland, Ohio. Beautiful. By the way, Cleveland is a great place to go. It's a great town. It is November 9 through the 11th. And it is in Cleveland, like I said, and it's the manufacturing and technology show. Again, let's get back to life. Let's get back to enjoying these wonderful events and highlighting to individuals. I'll be broadcasting there too, as well. And talking to some of the the biggest thinkers in manufacturing, the solutions, the technologies that they're deploying the safety, all of that stuff will be at that event. And I'm telling you right now, Cleveland is a beautiful place. So put that down. I'm going to continue to remind you because it's way out there, it's a good opportunity to make sure that you put that in your plan. You got to do that. Alright, on with the interview. Jonathan Baktari, MD, the last name is spelled ba k t a r i. And he is he's an expert, expert in the COVID situation vaccine. He's got a couple of companies that cater to that thing. He knows what he's doing. And it's an interesting conversation because he also knows how to get you back to work, how to open the door, and what is right and what's good and all that fun stuff. Fabulous conversation. So enjoy my interview with Jonathan. Dr. Baktari. Thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast. I like your bookshelf behind you. And if you're looking at on On the video, you can tell he his his setup is much better than my setup. How are you doing there, doctor?
Oh, wonderful. Thanks so much for having me
all the way from Las Vegas, everybody. So it's getting warm, but it's still got brings back great memories. For the listeners just real quick, let's sort of level set on who you are, give us a little background on a little 411 on who Dr. Baktari is and then we're going to venture into COVID. I mean, it's the elephant in the room. Let's get going.
Sure. Hi. Yeah, so I'm actually a internal medicine pulmonary critical care specialist. I ventured out into administrative medicine, I'm now the CEO of us direct test centers and E seven health. And we're both both of our technology companies that we're really trying to take to the next level. And we've done a lot of amazing work. And here we are
seeing I think this listeners, I think this is a great conversation, it is timely, I see that doctor that things are sort of getting a little looser, opening up people are thinking about from a business perspective, from an industrial perspective, what do we do? How do we return? So how has the world from from, from an overall perspective? How has the world change in light of COVID? The pandemic? General?
Well, I mean, obviously, it's been an experience we've all gone through. So I think a lot of the changes are practical, and the things that we were just going to have to do maybe slightly differently. And I think there's also been an emotional toll. You know, I always talked about how the people who survived the depression or World War Two and what have you just came out different different attitudes about things. So one, I think there's gonna be some practical changes in the workplace, potentially. And I think there's also going to just be some emotional residual impact of how people view things, you know, simple things like handshaking or, you know, lining up in a queue, to get a hotdog or something,
which I do like that you bring that I do, like lining up in a queue for a good hot dog. So when we start talking about practical changes, give us some examples of other sort of practical changes. And then we're going to talk a little bit about returning to work, and how do we deploy that give us some practical changes?
Well, I think the most practical change from a workplace is, you know, I think we spend the last 3040 years making, you know, indoor spaces more efficient, and specifically energy efficient. And that's really counter intuitive to, you know, from a COVID point of view in terms of safety, because a lot of that energy efficiency in buildings and even industrial spaces went to, you know, minimizing air coming in from outside and what have you. And so that's the you know, this is that's going to be a conversation, people need to have a balance between, you know, creating energy efficient indoor spaces versus safe indoor spaces. So I think that's definitely in the forefront as we move forward.
That's an interesting change. Because you're right, you're absolutely spot on about the journey that we've been on from a sustainability perspective, and that is efficiency. And we've attempted to work the best we can making these assets, these facilities as energy is efficient. And you're saying that there might be a challenge there with COVID? Yeah, I
mean, certainly we know, that's one of the reasons why COVID is so efficiently spread indoors and how hard it is to get it outdoors is the ventilation. So you know, whether the room area is exchanged once an hour or six times an hour, that matters when it comes to your your employee safety.
So if my employer is saying, hey, you've been you've been working from home, you've been doing a great job. Let's, let's get back to normal. Let's come back to my arm, the office. How do I how do I ensure that that my workspace is safe? Give back that you look at your daughter, I have it. Tell us tell us about it?
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, the spacing is an issue. Well, you know, I Well, once you know, you can look at a two way if everyone's immunized with herd immunity, I guess you can think of that being providing a safety but from an from a just a industrial point of view and the space point of view, you know, the less crowded you are and the more ventilation there is, and there's also you can add filtration. So, if you put in a filtration system with like a Merv 13, or higher filtration system, that's a good way to go. If you have more air exchange per hour, that's a good way to go and of course, spacing people out. So that's on one side equation. The other side of the equation is you know, is everyone vaccinated And do we have herd immunity? I think in terms of safety, you can go in both ways.
How do I know I have heard of me immunity, you brought that up and define it what that what does that mean? And then how do I know.
So when when a vaccine is created, there's two ways you can be safe. One, you can the vaccines efficient and good and you get it, you're going to be safe. Now, if you were the only person United States to get the vaccine, and nobody else got it, you know, you could make the argument, eventually there would be a variant created because everyone else getting the disease that your vaccine wouldn't protect you from. So 170 80 90% of the population has been vaccinated or had or has had the disease, the virus just simply doesn't have enough people to jump from. So even if one person gets it, there isn't enough other people that it can jump to and propagate. So it's a dead end, once 70 80% of the population gets it, anyone who gets the virus has a difficult time transmitting it to someone else, because ideally, they're surrounded by people who've been immunized. So the vaccine, the the virus sort of dies, you know, in their body, and, and that's the end of the road for for that right virus. So herd immunity is this concept that the majority vast majority of the population have either been immunized or have had the disease, so they're protected from potentially rehabbing it. So now, that assumes that no new variants come out and your immunity doesn't peter out. But putting those two assumptions aside, that's how you get herd immunity.
And how is the COVID different from influenza? Because we always have the flu shot, right? Well get the flu shot, it's changed, or it's different. It's, you know, how's it different?
We don't know yet. We don't know if is seasonally going to change enough that you actually would need a new vaccine. That is the worry that every year it might, you know, mutate enough that you would need a new vaccine. And we know, for example, Pfizer majorna, have already created a booster shot that covers a South African variant and the Brazilian variant. We don't know if it's needed, because so far the current vaccine seems to be protecting against the variants, at least the vaccines in the United States that have been approved. So but in theory, if those variants ever get to the point where the current vaccines Don't, don't cover them, then yeah, we'd have to get a potential booster shot.
So with this timely conversation on COVID, and we're going back to work, going back to this, whatever next normal, whatever it looks like. And I would imagine, doctor that it's going to sort of just like anything else, it's going to sort of evolve and morph, and people get a little smarter and a little bit better. Don't do that. Do this and all of that good stuff. What about travel? What about? Yeah, so So here in Louisiana, we we don't have a mass mandate. But if I go to New York or some other there's a mass mandate? How do we how do we manage the travel in this particular world?
Well, I, you know, I travel I think is going to continue to evolve. As we go back to what I was talking about earlier, the herd immunity, the closer we get to herd immunity, you know, the less some of this physical barrier will become an issue. I'm not saying it'll go away completely, but that, you know, if we were at with a 80%, by July of the country, having the vaccine or or the infection, you know, some of these barrier methods will become less significant. Now, there are people who will want to just have that extra protection, of course, you know, Dr. Fauci was on TV yesterday saying that, you know, it's a good idea to wear it even because it might protect you from seasonal flu, which, you know, 40,000 Americans or so die from every year. So, you know, will this change, and people will wear a mask, you know, during the flu season, just in general, to protect themselves from the flu, maybe, or people are going to be extra cautious. So a lot of that is really going to depend on individual decisions. But I think, from a public health point of view, some of these mandates are probably going to start to go away as we get closer to herd immunity, assuming no new variants come up.
So just to quickly recap, we're going to venture into another conversation. But to quickly recap. If you're returning back to work, have that conversation about good ventilation. I think that that's a good thing to do. If you want to return back to work safely,
right infill or filtration I mean, there's still trepidation of you know, you can have ventilation or you can install, you know, or both.
That's right and then from from a vaccination point of view If If your organization has what at whatever 90% vaccinated? I think those are two good things to just sort of ask your employer. Right?
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, if your employer is collecting that kind of data,
is there any laws against that employer collecting? Whether you've been vaccinated or not? Seems a little intrusive?
Well, you know, it's it depends on the motive. Like, for example, if you want to get a job at a hospital or nursing home, not only will they ask you, they'll ask you to prove it. And if not, they'll offer to give it to you, as a condition of working there. So we already have that, in essence, like you can't, you can't even work in the kitchen of a hospital, or a rehab center without having all those vaccines and proving it. So it really has to do. And I think the hospitals make the case, because they're trying to protect the patients. And so if you can prove that there's a safety reason for you wanting that information or mandating it, then you can because that that already exists. I think the issue is going to be can you make an argument that you need this information, and you need, you need to mandate it for the safety of someone in the organization? So, but yeah, the precedent is already there.
So let's, let's talk a little bit about, I've heard, I've heard that there are three vaccines. In my right, so there's three vaccines,
right, Madonna, Pfizer, and Johnson and Johnson,
all of them affected? In fact, that
well, depends what your definition of effective is. If it if your definition is am I will keep me from dying from COVID? Yes. All three of them. Well, 99%. Yeah, keep you from dying from COVID if you get it. So if that's the end point of, you know, effective, yes.
But I have three options. What what what do you recommend? And I don't know,
that's a really good question. I recommend you take the vaccine that someone's offering to put into your arm. First, why? Because while you're waiting for the perfect one, you may actually catch.
See, that's a great answer. Well done. Because you're you're straddling that political friends. You don't want to just sit there and Yeah,
well, that's true, honestly. Yeah, I know what I got mine. I mean, I don't care, whatever they would have said to me, I'm like, I'm in Give it to me, you know, because you can't, first of all, there isn't that much of a difference. But second of all, while you're waiting for the perfect one, you could catch COVID. You know, I mean? So it's sort of like, you know, the plane you want to catch is the plane that's taking off now? Not the plane that, you know, may serve the best dinner.
That's a good analogy. I have to agree with you. I can't argue about that. So let's talk a little bit about technology in this particular area. Now, we prior to our conversation, we talked about us drug testing centers, one, or east and East seven health, right? And what differentiates, because what I see here in this world of COVID, in this pandemic, in this is a tsunami of data and management of that data, right? And and it's like I, you know, as a business owner, this would just be overwhelming, right? But you and your team at these organizations have come up with a pretty nifty way of leveraging innovation, a leveraging technology to make my life me, business owner, happy and safe. Can you explain a little bit about that?
Yeah, I mean, really, I I and I tell people were in both companies were really technology companies masquerading as, you know, drug testing companies, or healthcare companies, and other US drug test centers, you know, we've really taken the entire industry of drug testing and put it on the cloud and come up with customizable solutions for different industries and different companies. So they don't have to be in the drug testing business. You know, we want to take people out of the business, you know, when you cry, when you hire a cleaning crew to clean your facility, you don't want to get in the cleaning business, you don't want to find out about all the different detergents that you can use and same thing, you know, whatever vendor you hire, you don't want to learn their industry. And so what we found is a lot of people who hire drug testing companies, in some level, they have to create a whole department that to manage it, to manage the data to to, you know, manage different locations and who has access to what and, and also to have a repository for all this information. And so we basically created a cloud based solution where We do all of that for our clients. And literally they they are out of our business, and they just get use of drug testing for what they need. And
urine stain. So it's so old way would be, hey, go down to this drug session center, then I'd have to meet the company owner have to interact with it and figure out and get some information and there's a dialogue there. Right What but what you're saying from a frictionless point of view, right, just go here. And all I have to do is I have a historical account of God the guy or right, but I just access it from the cloud.
So I can't write I mean, you can the way our system works, you can literally send 20,000 different potential employees a link. And they can pick their own drug testing center, any one of 20,000 collection centers. And literally you don't have to interact with them, they can pick it go and they'll have a donor pass and, and then the results will come from all 20,000 collections hunters in every city, every state in the United States will come back to your cloud based software, usually in 24 hours if the tests are negative. And you'll have in there, you don't need to print them, scan them file them away. There's no facts. And that's just one. One thing you have control of just just right there.
I like the fact that that you're aggregating all of these test sites. I listeners, we were just having this conversation offline and and in Mandeville, as quickly as blinking my eyes. Dr. Baktari just pulled up four locations that are associated with what us drug testing centers are all about for right there, boom, they're here, here and here. And relatively close. And all I All he did was just away from Amanda. Okay, there we go. It's, it's just that simple. And as a former business owner of an industrial maintenance company, I wish he was around for me to have this conversation, because that is a very big, big part of my time. Where do you see it going? I mean, what do you put your future hat on? Where do you see it going?
Well, with the drug testing, you know, I think what we really wanted to be able to do is we want like you, you have used one of our favorite terms, we just want to remove every aspect of friction in the whole system. Also, from the employee side, we just want everyone to move on and do what they're supposed to be doing and not be involved in, you know, the best. The I hate to use it, the you know, the best to pay is the one you can recognize, I mean, we you don't want to be involved in the drug testing world, you don't want to know you're in the drug testing world, you just want to serve to have a serve your purpose. So we will do everything, you know, we're going to write your policy for you, we're going to help you manage any audits you have, where we are going to have every aspect that you would need if you had a drug free workplace program. So you don't have to be involved at all. And and your employees don't have to be involved and you have access to whenever whatever you want, whenever you want it years later, theoretically, decades later, we will have everything stored away. So if you go into legal issues, audit issues, we have everything at your fingertips, you never have to wonder, go look for something.
Wow, that's That's powerful. Because you're absolutely right. You're asking me pre your solution. You're asking me to hold on to these files for whatever period of time there is there's a safety component associated with it, of course, a legal component associated with I mean, you've just, in essence, just removed that whole layer of frustration in my life.
Right? Yeah, that's how that's our goal. And yeah, yeah. And the only way to do it, I don't think we could have done this 10 years ago, though, the only way we are able to do it is the amazing technology and software we've been able to produce. I mean, it's it's something that couldn't have happened until the cloud got to this level. And so we're really fortunate.
Yeah, you know, it was interesting. What I like the your value proposition is, I remember having to send some of my employees to get tested, right. And the only place that I could go is like, you have to go over here. And that wherever here was was inconvenient for that individual. And it was like now that's where you got to go. Well, I don't have now you got to go there. Right if you remove that to
the template, because they actually pick it themselves. Yeah.
You can't come back to me and why and why it's too far away. Well pick another one pick Just one
ally, right. And also they don't have to call them or make an appointment, our donor past that we send them is all they need to walk in with. So they don't have to interact with the place either. They just have to go, they'd have to call and say, Hey, you know, whatever, right, they can just walk in. And that was really what we were trying to achieve. We were, we're wondering if we could do this nationwide in every small town, every city, every state in the country.
Beautiful solution. I love that. How does that differ from a seven health? What's that all about?
So a seven health, you know, is, again, deals a lot with employers and schools, Allied Health schools and organizations that have traditionally a lot of preventive health and wellness they need as part of their organization, whether it's to keep their employees safe to comply with regulatory requirements. And so what we did at EA seven is one we didn't, we decided not to do primary care, urgent care. So if somebody comes in and you know, their tummy hurts, we will, we will not see them, we will, of course, refer them to a great primary care doctor, but we won't see them. Instead, what we did is focus all our technology and software development in streamlining and providing a solution for healthcare companies, defense firms, all sorts of industries that need preventive health and wellness services for their employees, students and organizational members, again, on the cloud, with company portals. So like, for example, our software will allow a company that has four or five locations to keep track of the records of all their employees, who will come back to their portal. And they'll know exactly who hasn't, who hasn't has not had any particular service for that year, whether they need to get yearly flu shots, TB skin test physicals, hearing test vision does, we will have all that at the company's fingertips so they can control that and they get audited, or the regulatory body comes in and says, provide us with all this data. Again, they're not in the data management business. We already have all that stuff for them.
Love it. I could go on for a long time. How does somebody you know, get a hold of Dr. Baktari us drug testing centers, ie seven health, all of the wonderful solutions that you and your team provide? How do they get ahold of you?
Well, the easiest way is just go to Baktari, MD COMM And both those companies there as well some information about us. And I'm on LinkedIn and all the social media platforms, but either bacterium D or LinkedIn or you can go to East seven health.com or us strike two centers calm.
Alright, listeners, the last name is spelled ba k ta R, I slap an MD on there and a.com you'll be able to find Dr. Baktari split right there. And, but fear not, you're going to have it out on industrial talk.com. So no excuses. We are removing just like the wonderful team at us drug testing centers, as well as IE seven, help removing all the frictions of getting that information ASAP. Thank you, doctor. This was a pleasure.
Thank you so much for having
super timely. Alright, listeners. Again, we're gonna wrap it up on the other side. So you're not we're gonna have all the contact information of Dr. Baktari. So stay tuned.
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All right. I'd like to thank God. Jonathan bacterium de Dr. Jonathan, thank you very much. Sharing your Sage insights into how we an industry can get back to work, knowing exactly what's going on out there in the world of pandemic. Nailed it. Absolutely. wonderful conversation. Reminder, everybody. Put this on your calendar. This is the IoT solutions World Congress and industrial internet Consortium. October 5 through the seventh, they're going to be talking about IoT, a 5g and everything in between fabulous opportunity. Beautiful Barcelona. The other one is of course, the manufacturing technology show. November 9, two. That is this year. Great town. We went there last year. It was great. Alright. Again, we're about education. Yeah, industrial talk is about education is about believing that education and industrial education can change the world. hang out with people who are bold and brave and daring greatly and you will change the world as well. Thank you very much for joining. We're gonna have a great interview shortly.