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Scott MacKenzie

00:04

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott Mackenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's go.

00:22

Alright, once again, welcome to industrial talk, the number one industrial related podcast in the universe that celebrates you, industrial heroes all around the world. You are bold, take that to the bank, brave you dare greatly. You're solving problems. You're innovating. You are changing lives and you are changing the world as we speak. why not celebrate you each and every day? Yeah, you're that cool. All right. In the hot seat, we got a gentleman by the name of Milan coaching. He is with hexagon manufacturing intelligence. And he is the head of six. That's a tough word. Sixth Sense, open innovation platform. Pretty cool stuff. We're going to be talking about why manufacturers need to one innovate and invest in that innovation. Let's get that correction.

01:16

Yeah, again, we're talking innovation. We're talking about the necessity to make that investment. Well, you know, you need trust with people. And of course, you'll get a great sense that Milan is somebody you can trust. Yeah. Becton, he's a trusted depot guy. He's gonna just sort of shoot straight and answer your questions. And it's important that manufacturing and bring in manufacturing technology into what you do is very important. It is you gotta you gotta have to do it. Alright, we're sponsored by CAP Logistics, this episode. And let's just say if there's an Oh bleep moment with your supply chain with your turnaround with your whatever outage and you need somebody that you can trust, and you need somebody that can just get the job done. No matter how big CAP Logistics, go to CAP Logistics.com Definitely find out more great people great company, and, and they make it easy, they really do. You don't want to tie yourself down with that Oh, bleep moment, right. And, and with all the other stuff that has to go on, Cap Logistics makes that absolutely easy peasy lemon squeezy. And we're also brought to you by Deloitte, you know, Deloitte, they've got a bench full of incredible professionals that have their fingers on the pulse of what's taking place in industry. And again, it's all about who you trust, it's about who you're going to connect with, that can definitely solve problems. You got to reach out to Deloitte because they have a team of incredible professionals, focused on your success. Go out to deloitte.com Find out more. Alright. So a couple of things that I've been sort of noodling on, outside of the fact that I've been preaching on this. Are you getting the most out of are you extracting? Are you taking that dog gun? Talent squeezing every bit out of your engagements out of your conferences? And is there other ways that you can do that? Or are we just sort of going down the road? And this is my second, in this phase? Are we just going to do the same thing that we've always done? Do we are we sort of embracing conventional thinking, again, that legacy thinking? And I hope that's not the case, I hope that we just, we've got a very dynamic, very challenging environment out there. Hey, you can argue with me, but it is challenging, and it's challenging for industry, and it's challenging for people. And it's got a lot of dynamics happening out there. And we need, we need to really continue to think about conventional thinking, and is that holding us back? So here's a quote, just because why why do I have to create a CRUD? Conventional Thinking does not or doesn't change the world? Okay, because it's really procedural eyes. You know, this is how we do it. This isn't we just do the same thing. crazy ideas do and and working with individuals working with incredible leaders. They they are, there's a real consistency with the fact that there's that conventional thinking is pushed to the side. There's people that do that. But the reality is, are we really trying to think differently about solving problems, creating opportunities, cutting deals, whatever every element of your job, your business, and what you're doing? Has to really sort of take that at the forefront. I'm always intrigued now and I'll be the first to admit, I love individuals, companies that are doing things that are so unique, and so different. And and, and this is a collaboration. And it's a collaboration mindset. Because if you're truly want to fight that legacy, that conventional thinking, you're going to have to hang out with people who are at the same place, we are saying, this whole thing we can't survive in this, whatever this is, with conventional thinking. And I'll throw it out there. Because I think that that's the case. I think companies that are really creative, who are truly inside their heart desiring to get the most out of these engagements, and be mutually beneficial, and give of themselves so that other people survive, I'm telling you, that is where it's at. That is where it's at, okay? Just put that noodle wanted to ask that question, be truthful, do all that stuff, all right, an event.

06:01

And I'm very fortunate to be able to work with the IoT solutions World Congress, and this is an event in Barcelona, it is May 10, to the 12th. And I've been there pre pandemic, not during the pandemic, you know, the whole story there. But it really the the organizers, the people who are engaged in this particular event, really understand the necessity to create value. So if I go to this, this event, IoT solutions, World Congress, I would get the most out of that engagement, I go over there outside of Barcelona and be just a great place, don't get me wrong. But to be able to meet up with other companies, it's that that are also having a desire to do things to collaborate to really solve problems, and work in that sort of environment. That's what IoT solutions World Congress is creating. So if you go there, and you're just gonna say, hey, I want to just eat up by Aya, and drink the, you know, the wonderful sangria, while you're missing out, you're missing out on an opportunity for a great event to be able to impact your bottom line in a positive way. IoT solutions World Congress, that's may 12, or may 10, through the 12th. Put that on your calendar, Barcelona, and you can't you can't complain about that. That's Barcelona. All right. Now back to the interview. So what's interesting about this conversation outside of fact that I think Milan, and team hexagon manufacturing intelligence, which is glad that's not a domain, because I'd misspell it. But they they recognize this necessity for a real a ecosystem that is focused on innovation for manufacturers, and then be able to go to a place or go to a Yeah, a place physically, and come up with real solutions that solve your problems. Right. And, and that's what we need, specially in the world of manufacturing, we need to have that. And, again, I broadcast from the manufacturing and technology show. And one of the things that was brought to my attention is at that trust, we've got to find trusted people, companies to help us with this transformation journey, right? That's what hexagon manufacturing intelligence and their, you know, focus on this sixth sense. Great conversation, we pretty much dove into a lot of things. So enjoy the conversation with Milan, Milan, welcome to industrial talk. Thank you very much for finding time in your busy schedule. I'm looking out. If you're at the video, if you're looking in the video, and you can see back there, it looks cold back behind you. Is it cold?

08:55

It's actually not too bad. It's 64 degrees in lovely providence. But yeah, it will it will snow tomorrow. So it's not it, don't worry about it. It's New England. So anything goes

09:04

yeah, here in Louisiana, I have the AC on. And I'm not happy about that. I want it to be cold a little longer. Alright, for the listeners, let's get cracking on who Milan is give us a little background on who you are.

09:18

Sure. I'm a head of sixth sense open innovation platform at hexagon. It's our new kind of way of trying to engage startups and innovative thinking. But I've spent almost 25 years at hexagon in various roles, most recently, last 12 years in innovation. So I've done development of new products, services and all kinds of other stuff. So this is kind of culmination of everything that I've done in the past. I gotta

09:43

tell you, man, that's pretty cool. Because you've been if you've been there that long, you've seen a lot of innovations. You've seen a lot of growth and do you find it's, it's there's a speed right now that that I mean, I think it's fast. Do you find that happening?

09:57

Well, anybody who is anywhere from Five years, including a marriage has seen a lot of good and bad stuff, right? So I would say there's good usually tends to outweigh the bad. But I think part of what I'm doing now is a little bit of a frustration with speed in mature companies, because sometimes mature companies have a priority of doing things that they do well. And the speed of innovation sometimes outpaces their ability to kind of, you know, manage risk, do different things, and all those kinds of stuff that kind of they get into it. So it's always a balance at the end of the day, but it's you know, and some days are good, some days are bad.

10:35

So how do you how do you get a company that's sort of, shall we say, mature, and begin to, I guess, methodically embed or begin to go down that innovation route to see the value? What is it important?

10:52

Well, it's important well, you know, technology curves are very brutal, which is, there's no like a slight decline in curves. It's just one day, one day, you just fall off a cliff and you're wrong, irrelevant. You know, prime biggest example, probably the listeners know is like Blackberry, you know, Blackberry ruled the phones. And then one day, nobody knows who BlackBerry is. So you always have to fight for relevance. In some ways, I think managing your quarterly profits, and everything else in the same breath is you're trying to do risky investments and kind of innovation is hard to manage, especially if they're in the same organization. So part of kind of what we're doing is we separated this area of where we're going to explore an experiment, so that I don't, you know, I don't have to do roll up reports and quarterly p&l and everything else, I kind of live a little bit of outside of the comfort zone of the organization, and I'm getting some freedom to explore with, with startups what to do. There's a second reason for that. A lot of mature companies say that they want to work with startups. But I have this like theory, what it does is you just have a lot of lunches and dinners with them. And you actually never really do anything. So what you do is you create this fantasy of what the future could be like, but because of your operational kind of discipline, you have a really hard time, parlaying that into something useful. So you have to have something in some sort of a conduit, let's call it a speed dating service. Yes, startups. And so six senses actually that in like, 10, we compress the kind of let's get to know you. And then we decide if we want to get engaged, don't get married, or just go out and wait just doesn't really matter what it comes out of it. But rather than stretching this into five year kind of things, you do it relatively quickly. And even if it doesn't work out, you just start now keeping an eye on that startup, like, is there something we can do to just help them along? Because Sixth Sense, main interest is to help startups be successful. If that also benefits hexagon, that's awesome. But that's not necessarily my I'm, I would consider myself successful if one of these startups becomes a unicorn or half a unicorn or whatever you want to be. If we get to play the role in it, and we are part of the journey, that's awesome. If not, it's still a success at the end of the day, right?

13:09

So okay, so let's take that analogy. So, I'm a, I'm a manufacturer, startup, I'm here, I'm small, I've got, I've got grand visions, I come to you and I say, hey, grand vision guy right here. And I want to be able to see where we can go with this. And so we're gonna speak date, you're gonna you're gonna ask me some questions. We're gonna, we're gonna sort of ferret this out relatively quick. Let's say you're saying that it's not a good fit, however, however, we think it's, it's it's got potential. Are you saying you will help facilitate and maybe help that journey too, as well? That's not within granule? House exiga?

13:50

Correct. I mean, the the options could be that a startup gets introduced to a customer, a customer sees a potential that doesn't fit to hexagons, prerogatives. And our customer takes on the burden of trying to support the startup to do something, it could be a clean just investments, we bring in some venture capital. And together, we basically pump some cash into the startup and help them on their journey. Or it could be some kind of a joint venture OEM agreement, where we just basically give them the channels to facilitate, but they may be on the fringes of like what hexagon does, and then over time, that parlays into something because what we're looking at, you know, this horizon one stuff, stuff that fits really well into the business. But there's also horizon two and three stuff, like stuff that we don't know. So how are you going to find out if you don't start dabbling in those kinds of areas? So to me, it's just a way where you can find opportunities and options without necessarily, let's say, you know, burdening the day to day business because it's really hard to get attention and like, you know, I mean, you know, I, you know, I got to make products and satisfy customers. and deliver things oh, crap, there's this now person, I want to want to talk to him about innovation. And it's just balancing that. And now we have this safe space. And then we can explore, because I have a have a kind of a view on the typical accelerator where you come in, we teach you some classes, and I'll give you 100 grand for your 12% stake in the company. I think they're kind of empty, you know, in a sense, because not every company is the same, you can't package advancement in business into some kind of a book, at the end of the day. Everybody has, you know, you know, yourself. Founders come from different backgrounds, they come from different areas in the world, our program is global, which means, you know, somebody from Singapore and somebody from Louis, you know, Louisiana are not necessarily going to be the same people, they won't have the same priorities, they won't see the business same way us does a certain thing certain way, Singapore does it another way. So putting something into a box, it's a really hard way to manage things, you have to kind of be slightly flexible, and be able to adapt what there are opportunities to scale are truly in front of us. And then we see what it is, and we do the best we can to make them successful.

16:07

I like the terms be dating, I like that, that that to me since since a urgency sort of message, but at least you could still get that thing moving. I like to save space concept. And and being able to open that up, I think I think you're onto something pretty big here. And the reason I think that is because because of the speed of innovation, that what I see out here, that that it needs a place like this, for other companies to be able to sort of take it's it's so fragmented out there. So if I have a place to go, I don't know where I'm at in my journey. But let's say I have a place to go at least that's my North Star, I can go there. And then begin sort of that journey of time, as opposed to this sort of scattergun scattershot, hopefully I'll find some sort of solution that works or whatever it might be. Well, it's, it's, it's

17:04

you flip it to the what are, what are mature companies really good at? Well, mature companies are okay, at innovation, they still they do a little bit of incremental things here and there. But what mature companies are typically really good at is making money. So my job is not really to teach the startups on technology and everything else, we can look at the fit and see how things fit, you know, how does one plus one equal three, but what we are really good at is telling them how they can potentially scale their business. Because think about it, a small startup that makes a million bucks, and it works and is out of Louisiana. What is their opportunity to globally scale? How are they going to do that? Well, if you have hexagon, we are everywhere. So if we see the opportunity in certain parts of the world that fit this particular business, we basically helped them, you know, feel, you know, skip over certain steps that they would have to be painful for them otherwise, and try to leverage that experience from our end to help them scale. So to me, you know, let's do the stuff that we are good at and imbedded into the startups and let them help us be better at what they're good at, which is innovative kind of, you know, out there thinking and try to embed that into our own culture. So it's kind of like a 5050 thing at the end of the day.

18:19

So just an FYI, I hear people the listener saying at this is still just a thing for Hexagon. How do you sort of quail that? That pushback because I love it? Don't get me wrong? I think it's brilliant. But they're you know, there are people out there said, this is just an infomercial for Hexagon.

18:43

Let's be honest, partially it is I mean, at the end of the day, it is a marketing and a PR efforts so that people understand what hexagon does and how we do it. That's one part of it. Because it's inevitable, always, anybody who tells you otherwise is I think lying. What we're trying to do is while it could benefit has going on so one of the out potential outcome is it that we either acquired a company company shares the technology, we build something bigger together, of course, there's a benefit to hexagon in the longer run from a business perspective. But I think, you know, you and I have discussed this offline a little bit, which is sometimes you just want to do things because they feel good, right? I mean, like, not everything has to be a pre calculated move and premeditated by everybody. I think sometimes it's just good to do things kind of, like my big push is diversity and inclusion angle. I'm an adoptive dad of a little black girl and watching the world through her eyes. I want to make sure that the world is a better place and more inclusive in the future so that she has an option to start a company and be able to raise funding and be able to do other things. And I think some things you just have to do because they're good things to do. So it's not that it's a 5050 Yeah, of course if we FANUC hexagon benefits, there will be an awesome thing to do. But we also want to do things because at the end of day, we want to be viewed as people who are truly interested in a welfare of a startup and help them be successful. I mean, that should be the ultimate kind of thing where we want to go

20:14

see, and I like it, because let's just use a sports analogy, let's move that ball forward. And if companies like hexagon, and others big, do a good job at what they do, there is a necessity to try to continue to push that innovation and move that ball forward. And that is, from my perspective, a smaller company, nimble, willing to take that risk, get out of that conventional thinking that traditional thinking, and and be able to do that. And it's a way of like hexagon, and other companies to be able to participate in that energy, that excitement of that innovation, and be able to help everybody all around. It's a win win. And yes, doggone it, if you're listening out there, you better be about making money. And this is another way of being able to really help people achieve that success. And by the way, when your daughter gets married, or where it'll break your heart.

21:16

Thank you for the warning. It is. She's only, she's only

21:20

just telling you, it'll go by fast. Just FYI.

21:24

Thank you break your heart. Thank you.

21:27

I'm living proof, and I'm still struggling. Alright, so let's say I'm young, I'm nimble, I, what are my what are my action items? What do I do I invest more? What do I do? Tell me some of the stuff that I need to do.

21:42

If you're looking to start a business, or if you're looking at,

21:46

like, do I increase my investment in advanced manufacturing? Do I mean like, do all that stuff? What? Sure.

21:53

I mean, you touched a good subject. So we have done bunch of meetings with stuff people like Department of Defense and some other places. So the great theme, behind the scenes is the great onshoring or reshoring of manufacturing into us. Because of all the geopolitical, especially the more recent events as a couple of days ago, people understand kind of the importance of supply chain, because of COVID, because of China, because of what's happening with Russia, you the importance of manufacturing back on us Shores is a big subject. There's a secondary problem, the thing we talked about people is that they're not as worried about opening plants, like putting a plan somewhere in the US, there's plenty of space and plenty of money to probably do that. What they're slightly worried about is people. So where are they going to get the people to work in these plants? And I think this goes back to some of the conversations you're gonna have had in the past, which is, manufacturing is not the default choice for anybody. Like I've talked to high school students and college students. And when you mentioned manufacturing, I think all their thinking is like Charlie Chaplin in modern times in like the 30s, like coming out or running around and turning the screw. And I think manufacturing today is night and day compared to what that was. And it still has this kind of dirty image, kind of like farming today, which is, you know, funny thing is you go to a typical farm these days, and it's basically robots driving tractors and bunch of others. I mean, it's super high advanced technologically super.

23:18

And there's Advanced Chemistry, there's just so much going on. There's like, God, yeah, the,

23:25

you know, like farm yields today, compared to farm yields from 20 years ago are incomparable. So to me, technology and everything else that's in manufacturing, I think it's just kind of neglected stepchild. And I think in general, we don't talk about it, venture capital investment in advanced manufacturing has gone fivefold in just three years. And I think if you look at it a greater interest in this, I think kids out there who are in high school or going to colleges, they should seriously start looking at some of these callings because, as you and I talked, yeah, we cannot, we cannot all be tick tock stars and be in delivery people for DoorDash. Like it's um,

24:04

don't, don't sell yourself short there.

24:07

At some point, people have to do stuff that physically helps the society and you and I have we then we before we started doing this podcast, which is you look at your desk, in your mouse and your mousepad, and your keyboard and your monitor and your pen and your phone. That old came from somebody manufacturing something somewhere. All these things come from a place of somebody had to design it, and then engineer it and figure out which materials to use and how to produce it and that that's kind of the chain that hexagon exists in. And we believe that publicly we as people have to talk about this kind of subjects more. And we have to talk in a sense of augmented manufacturing. What I mean by that is every time somebody presents a future when we factoring it's always a factory with all the robots in it. There's no humans anywhere. And I think that's that's not a reality. The future realistic future is making humans superhuman, so that we can do super poignant, important things and robots do like crappy stuff like, you know, loading boxes, or whatever the story might be. And we end up doing stuff that's much more important than in a bigger scheme of things. But I think in general, we as a nation, or we, as a world have failed in raising the importance of magic of manufacturing, I think that's kind of like you say, What do I say to a young person? Don't just think you can build in a chat app, think that there's other wider implications of what you could do if you go, you know, into the world?

25:37

Yeah, I have to say, it's sad that we were very successful. You know, when I was growing up and going through school, we had, we had shop classes, and then at shop class, I was exposed to how to how to weld how to do certain things, but it was just, I was exposed to it. We don't have that anymore, whatever, for whatever reason, we've done a good job. But the reality exists, many of these manufacturing jobs, it's, I just want to make sure you listeners out there, it's not dirty, it's sophisticated, high end technology. And it's serious. And it's a great career path. It just is.

26:14

And we yeah, we talked to a business owner in North Dakota. And she told us she had a 25% vacancy for robotics engineers, she needed advanced robotics engineers for the for the factory, and she was paying California salaries in North Dakota, obviously, North Dakota in January is not the most pleasant place to be. But when you look at it as a young person, spending five, six years in that environment, learning about robotics, it's very much hands on you learn day to day stuff. That's a transferable skill set that you can take to other places as you kind of grow your your skills. But but because it's a dirty, as you said, because it's viewed as dirty people like oh, I don't want to do that. So they do something else.

26:55

It's I've been very fortunate. And I've been exposed to just an example of where robots are cool. I mean, it's, it's cool. I'm watching the the technician deal with the robot and getting it done, you know, tweaked and done it. Yeah, it's, it's in demand. It's cool. But what's interesting is is do you think, given and this is just a tangent right now. So we've got a, we've got a human challenge, right? We've got an education challenge, because it to your point, I don't think we have a problem citing anything or being able to, you know, put some brick and mortar in the ground, it's always down to the people do you find that maybe our education system is lacks the ability or is nimble enough to be able to keep current with the fast pace of innovation?

27:46

I think it's two things. Like I, I was fortunate enough, but 10 years ago, to do a bunch of work, for example, in Wisconsin, and Wisconsin has a great technical school environment. And there because Wisconsin is one of the most strongest manufacturing states in the US. And seeing that, and actively which Wisconsin education system encourages kids at high school, that technical school is an option. And it's a noble option. You don't have to go to college. And that's the only thing you should do. I think it's this kind of perception of things. And I will quote something that my mom said to me once, which is very controversial, which is he said, some people are meant to be doctors, and some people are meant to be janitors. And what she didn't mean by that is that somehow janitor is a less noble thing to do than being a doctor. She just said, Is there stuff for everybody to do? But we cannot all I think there's a tendency in US education system, to make everybody think that they should all be a doctor or a lawyer. And somehow, if you're less so you are a failure. Yeah, the right thing and everything else. Yeah. And I think we have to reset expectations and tell people, I mean, you know, this yourself, I mean, even during COVID If you're a plumber, you are making $150,000 a year because you need it. People want it today get their stuff fixed. And people are always like, well, a plumber, I don't want to be a plumber. Like that's not a noble thing to do. But at the end of the day, all these colleagues make a decent living, they all serve their function. And I think you have a lot of freedom to do whatever you want to do. And the same goes for manufacturing. And the thing is just we as an education system make a great emphasis on other callings and don't expose the kids to, you know, the wonders of doing practical things with your hands and everything else. I mean, I used to have shop wood shop when I was a kid, like there's no wood shop today. So how are you supposed to learn some of these things. So

29:39

you're spot on and that used to be the highlight of my day and I did go and that wood or or small engine or whatever it might be, but the reality is it's a it's a heavy lift to try to reset expectations and that is sort of a longtail conversation because it has to happen. We have to do it We have to have, you know, companies like hexagon who are committed to that, being able to help that. I think that that's an important. It's, it's important to have that I just think you've got it, we've got to do that, or, or manufacturing as a whole which there was a, I was reading an article, and I can't remember what it was. And there, there are things that that we do that move things forward, like, we're important, you move it forward. And then there's things that you could just, you know, the person, there's things that don't move things forward, manufacturing moves things forward. My history degree doesn't move things forward. Right. And it's just putting that into perspective, what we're talking about here is skills that truly, and positively impact society and move things forward. And that's what's really key.

30:55

Well, I think, yeah, I think it's, I think you're hitting on the right thing, which is, there's a swing and interest. And I think what I mean by that is, you know, people ask, Well, are there more startups in advanced manufacturing? Or is there more people doing things? And the answer is, yes, there's more people using tools like AI and machine learning and everything else to improve the processes in manufacturing. So now, same as people are trying to use AI to solve other problems, they're trying to use the same things to solve problems in manufacturing, to make it more efficient to make a technique. And if you make things more efficient, you're more sustainable, you use less energy, there's all kinds of other implications in investing in technology and advanced manufacturing space. And suddenly, there's a lot more interest, there's a lot more money that's interested in being in this space. And so we need to just capitalize on that part of it, your original conversation, part of it is selfish for hexagon, because we think there's a growth opportunity for Hexagon in that domain that we authentically exist in already and have existed for 20 years. But there's also an opportunity to engage very innovative and interesting companies that will solve really big problems for us. And, you know, we as hexagon, I'm from manufacturing, Intelligence Division, which is manufacturing, but we also do sustainability, we do other things that are out there. And we think that sixth sense will probably over time, expand a little bit as to where we are trying to look for inspiration, but it's all around stuff that is, as you said, more dirty in nature. So

32:22

I'll give you a we're working on some stuff within the utility space, this innovation, this, this conversation that's wrapped around you, it's it's impressive. And, and that message needs to get out and it needs to, there's just so much there too, as well, that could be with mining, that could be with transportation that could be with any of these second innovation. And I'm just telling you right now, if you're, you're frightened about innovation, if you're frightened about dipping your toes into that water, do it. You've got and I think, Milan, you us touched on it briefly and just like you're just in the game, if you're not in the game, if you're not just sort of actively in there, you don't see the opportunities, you don't see the horizon, you don't see what's might happen. You just got to be in it. And you got to find trusted people like Milan and hexagon to at least help you with that journey. Trust big time. It's a human thing. All right, we gotta wrap it up. How do people get ahold you?

33:23

Go to our sixth sense webpage, which is sixth sense that hexagon comm all the stuff is there, kind of if you're interested in getting in touch with me personally, email that's linked there, it goes to my inbox. So if anybody wants to talk to me further about what six cents and what Exxon does, feel free to go there. And we look forward to any further conversation on this.

33:44

That's pretty cool. I really enjoyed this conversation. There's a lot more that can be done. And I'm just telling you right now, we just scratched the surface. Anyway, thank you, Milan, for being on the industrial talk. Ready? Work. Great.

33:55

Thank you very much. Got. All right, listeners, we're

33:57

gonna wrap it up on the other side. If you didn't get that link, it'll be there at industrial talk. So stay tuned, we will be right back.

34:04

You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.

34:13

Alright, once again, a hearty thank you to a Milan for saying yes. And being on the industrial talk podcast. The what always brings excitement to, to me and what we do here at industrial talk is to be able to have these conversations with real individuals that understand that conventional thinking is not a real good way of creating a business that is resilience. So keep pushing. And thank you very much, Milan. I really enjoyed that conversation again. Here we go. IoT solutions World Congress 10th and 12th of may put that on your calendar, but it's just going to be swimming with professionals that truly want to solve problems and and definitely want to collect Every do that IoT solutions work. Alright, stop with the conventional thing. Stop with that legacy thinking. Think different. Push the people. Be brave dare greatly hang out with people like the lawn, you're going to change the world. We're going to have another great conversation shortly right around the corner

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00:00

On this industrial talk, we are talking IoT. We are talking about letting go of your ego and embracing the ego. We have to succeed with this innovation, this technology, we need to begin to embrace it. What are the strategies that we can deploy today for resilient business of success tomorrow, come learn with me, let's get cracking.

00:26

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott Mackenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hardhat grab your work boots, and let's

00:44

go Alright, once again, thank you very much for joining industrial talk the place if you're in manufacturing, yeah, you need to be here. If you're an industry, yeah, you need to be here. If you're in the business of transforming the world changing the world for good. Right here, right now. This is the place for you. You know why? We celebrate the bold, The Brave and the daring greatly. That's industry. That's industry as a whole. Because you are bold, you are brave. You are daring greatly. You're changing the lives. You're changing the world. You're solving problems. Yeah. That's why we celebrate you on this episode of industrial talk out in the hot seat. I had a great time with this one. This is another great conversation. Bettina Rotermund. That's R o t e r M u n d. She's in hot tea and we're talking, you know, okay, we're talking IoT. And you're saying yourself, Scott, I don't want to talk IoT. You have to talk IoT. You have to figure this out. You have to be bold, brave and daring greatly. And figure this out. Maybe tippy toes in it. We're going to talk. Bettina is on the on the hot seat. Yeah, we do. Okay, we are sponsored by the IoT solutions World Congress, this is going to be an event. Right? This is an event, and it's May 10. Through the 12th. This year, in Barcelona, I have all the contact information out on industrial talk. Yeah, it's a must. If you're, I'm just telling you one of the things that is always pushing back. Yeah, you got to find trusted advisors when it comes to all of this great innovation and technology, but you can't ignore it. can't stick your head in the ground and say that, ah, it's not gonna happen to me. No, I believe that if you don't, if you don't take advantage of of this technology, figure out a way of navigating the waters in a way that is beneficial to you your business, then you're going to be out of business. And that's just a fact of life. Somebody is going to figure it out. So the key here is find trusted advisor, patina. Excellent advisor, just FYI. Okay, IoT solutions, World Congress, May 10, to the 12th Barcelona's location, and I've been there. It's a great, great venue, great environment, very collegial. It's a must 10 event. And we're also brought to you by the industrial IoT consortium. And again, we've got to be about education, right, we've got to learn as much as we possibly can, great location to be able to find information about IoT, and digital twin and anything else that is associated with industrial for Dotto, or industry for Dotto or whatever Oh my god. And that's industrial IoT Consortium. Check both of them out. I want to see you in Barcelona. That's, that is my challenge to you. See you in Barcelona. All right, here we go. Challenge. What is normal? What is normal what? We've just been going through just an absolute squiffy time within this pandemic. It's been hammering business, it's been doing the thing. So, I mean, I can, some days are good. Some days are not so good. You know, we're on we're off things. It's just a very fluid environment. And people want to protect themselves. And so they they make decisions in accordance with protecting themselves. So it's it is, but again, what is normal, where, what do we do? I think I think it's never normal. I just think that, that we've got to be bold, brave and we've got to just step out, we've got to think differently all of the time. I think legacy thinking that conventional thinking that was pre pandemic and all acceptable and all wonderful over here. I think it will be the death of companies. I think that that we we must, we must be catalysts. That is that's also an interview that I did with Tracy. So find that catalyst conversation because that is also A fantastic conversation about how you are just going to have to embrace all of this, this this change, do it. Now is the time. So I wrote down some notes because that's my, my, no, that's what I do. You know, my life is about working out, thinking about all of this stuff, and figuring out how to be able to communicate. One of the things that came out as a result of this conversation with Bettina, I like ecosystem versus ecosystem, I really believe that that is a just a solid sage advice. I think we have to, we can't we can't just hold our cards close to the chest, right? We just can't.

05:41

And I think we have to really, really begin to embrace that Ico, we don't have all the answers. Bettina, she's a rock star, by the way. All right. Another thing that I want to make sure that I point out, and I just plan it, food for thought, whatever you might want to do with it. And I think I believe success, whatever that is to find that success comes when people listen. Because if they don't listen, they're not here. If I don't care, you're not moving that ball forward, if they don't listen. So I think success comes when people listen, success also comes when people understand what does that mean, when we start talking about all this innovation, when we start talking about the technology is out there, are we just communicating in such a way that hey, look at me, look at me, I'm the smartest person out there. I'm using bigger words in the jargon out there. But nobody understands. And I don't think that that is an appropriate approach. Industry has smart people. It's, it's all over the place. They we do. They do. I'm not I'm not. Don't Don't Don't look at me for smarts. But many are very smart. But if we, if we don't get people to listen, and if we don't, if we don't make it the message understandable, and I don't think we're going to be successful. And I don't think some of the the, the challenges that we have out there like workforce management. Trust, deploy and technology if we don't, if we don't make it simple, if we don't make it consumable, if we don't put it in the hands of the people that truly deploy it, then I don't think we're going to be successful. So keep that in mind. Successor when when we can get people you know, success comes when people listen, success comes when people understand. Get rid of the jargon. Get rid of it, and simplify your message so that the masses can consume it don't make people feel stupid. Don't please. I don't like it. And quite frankly, I'm pretty easily. I'm not I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. So if I don't like it, there are a lot of smart people don't, you know, definitely don't feel good about that. All right, Bettina Rodman, and let's see your stack go out there. Okay, cool, cool. Stack card, LinkedIn stack card, by the way. She's head of strategic marketing, Siemens IoT. Yeah, so she brings a lotta gotta got a lot of street cred out there. All right. And, and, and she's passion. And she's passionate. And she says, You'll, you'll get get it real fast that she's smarter than me, which is pretty much everybody. All right. Let's enjoy that conversation. Bettina, welcome to industrial talk. Thank you very much for finding time in your busy schedule to talk to the best listeners in the whole wide world. How are you doing today?

08:49

I'm great. Actually, we have a bank holiday in Germany. So it's very quiet. And I love being on the show. Thanks for inviting me. Oh,

08:57

I didn't know you had a bank holiday. What time is it there?

09:01

Actually, it's a six and a half in the evening.

09:05

Oh, it's still fine. I don't feel bad now.

09:07

Yeah, that's time for doing interviews extra it is.

09:10

I see that you're drinking something and I'm thinking to myself, it must be coffee, but then it's 630 and we'll get to sleep. All right. For the listeners out there. PITINO give us a little background on who you are and why you're such an incredible professional.

09:26

Oh, thanks for the for the flowers. First and foremost. Well, I am the head of strategic marketing at Siemens for the sector of IoT in digital transformation, which is my field of passion because I truly believe that IoT and digital transformation can create a better world. I'm not the typical Siemens staff, you would find I'm only three and a half years with Siemens. I have a background in a lot of managing positions from sales to marketing, business development and strategy in a lot of other companies like Sony, and BMW. So yeah, I'm I'm still a little bit like the I would say the corporate rebel. I'm looking at things a little bit different. That's also why I enjoy my current profession and jobs so much that gives me a lot of, of playground to test new waters and to create something big and new. So I really, really enjoy the the field of play I'm in right now.

10:30

Yeah, they haven't said to the the white shirt with a tie yet.

10:35

Now, not yet, but I got a shirt with a bull's eye on it.

10:39

Yeah, I bet you do. Now let's Let's venture into this one. So a topic that comes to mind that I am. I agree with you. I believe that IoT digital transformation, industrial to for data, whatever you want to call it is transformative. I agree. There are obstacles. Why are is like, okay, and there's obstacles, and then there's messaging confusion. Because I don't even know if I put my little manufacturing industrial hat on. I don't even know where to start. Because it's, it's busy out there. There's a lot of cerpen going out on that old worldwide web. Yeah, yeah. How do we how do we industry begin to sort of put our arms around this, this incredible technology? What do we do?

11:30

Yeah, I mean, when we we talk to customers, and I love hearing them out. Because there's a lot of it seems like it's a super daunting challenge for them to start into IoT or to start their digital transformation journey, though, everybody agrees that it is a business imperative to stay in the game now. So when we talk to them, most of the time, we hear like the common four to five, which is I'm scared about that cybersecurity, if I put all my assets in the cloud, and then a hacker comes on bankrupt law, then it's about the asset management, how would I manage then those assets that I run from a remote perspective, then it's all about return of investment? And how would I ever finance it? And then it's a little bit about the value creation? What kind of use case what kind of solution would grant me any value? Or am I just playing on this this buzzword bingo. And the last one is, if I eventually will change my business operations? How does that play with this change management thing? Yeah. And most of the CEOs and CIOs and CTOs then are very good in this, this, you know, change management thing, because it's a soft thing, you cannot really measure it. That's why it's also like, Okay, if I change my setup, if I'm integrating a new business model, how would I make sure that my people can follow and can adapt to this new normal and this new circumstances that they're facing? The good news is, though, there are plenty of solutions to all of the five big, big things that I just mentioned. The bad thing, though, is there's too much and sometimes wrong and false communication about it. This is exactly what you just mentioned. Yeah, there is a confusion about what it is and what it is not. So I think the best thing to start is at the beginning, to ask that simple question of why. And we always ask customers this question, why do you want to change? Why do you want to transform? And do you have any vision how that should look like? Some customers do have a vision? And then it's about how do we bring customers to this point of execution? And some people don't? And that's just okay. Yeah. I mean, if you would ask me for a surgery on your leg, or whatever, potentially, I could look up a YouTube video, but what I feel prac to do with myself, Oh, no. So there's a need for guidance and navigation. And at the same time, there is not enough trust. And that also comes because there is no industry standard. I mean, if you if you look into the telecommunications sector, which understood very early, there needs to be a standard like Bluetooth and NFC in order to connect things. This standard is sometimes with the protocols for IoT is there. But there is no standard of how you run IoT projects. That's why people find it so difficult to trust one or the other party, and who would be the better party for their endeavor. And so what we usually do with customers, when they approach us is we, we have two ears and one mouth. So we try to listen twice as much as we talk. And if we talk it's rather asking more questions, to deeply understand what the root cause is and what the customer wants to achieve. And then it's about defining a strategy and from the strategy looking into these use cases. Yeah. And we we see a lot of buzzword bingo in the market?

15:03

You have no idea. I hear all the time, the lexicon is off the charts. And then new words that are an amalgamation of two words that I used to know. And now somebody out there in industry since I forgot to push them both together, and then it just blows my mind. But I mean, absolutely,

15:24

absolutely. And I, I had heard a conversation before Christmas, where somebody said, how many computers do I need to tie together to get a quantum computer and I was just like, maybe not. And that is, that is so understandable, because these words are just like in the air, and they are frightening these people to the bone. And I can understand that. Because I mean, it's not like buying a car and you spend whatever, 20 30,000 euros in your car, potentially, this is a double digit billion price tag that comes with retrofitting your, your factories around the globe. And so if you want to invest, you want to make sure that you're invest in the right things, and not into a buzzword that is nice to have, but it's not creating any value for you. So for us, the proof of value comes before the proof of concept, because the proof of concept is just is that technology wise, viable? But not would that bring you any kind of value in the sense of decreasing your bottom line in order to save resources or cut down co2 Or be process optimizing? Would it increase your top line by building up new business models that come out of your data that you aggregated and you analyze, and you got any meaning out of the data? Or would it help you to differentiate because you can offer a new service to customers based on these data, or you can differentiate against your competitors by having a faster time to value and time to market? And so these are a lot of questions that we we ask customers in order to get it right. Yeah. And then of course, what is what is needed is you do not hand over the reins of the company to somebody else in order to do IoT for you. This is something that you need to do in co creation, because there are so many things along the way that can happen, where you need to accommodate. And then you need to sit down with your customer and say, Okay, this is now a T crossing, are we going left or right? Because the Middle Way definitely will not work. And that is why I always advocate for start small and scale fast. Yeah, it's not that you would digitalize your whole business, or you transform your whole business, you start with one value creation use case. And maybe there is already a use case outside in the world that you can copy and paste in the sense of what kind of problem was that use case solving? And can I use this methodology? Can I use what is already there. So I would not start with zero. But I would start maybe with 40% or 60%. And then you're better off and then you're faster. And this is what we in Siemens try to do to come from one point in one industry and learn for the other industries and transform and transference pawn these kind of learnings into into different verticals.

18:24

So some of the things that I hear what you're saying, which is cool, which I agree 100%, because I hear it out there in the marketplace. What I would say, if I had my hat on, I'd look for some trusted advisor trusted person really trusted with the street cred of IoT, whatever that might be, whoever that might be. So trust is key from my perspective. I like the incremental I can handle that. It's not, you know, so overwhelming where I can't, I can't comprehend it. So starting small scaling from there. And then the other thing is that if I do start small with a trusted advisor, company, whatever that might be, and then I can truly manage the success meaning do I have a return on it? Did it meet our expectations? Did we learn something from it? One of the areas that I'm always struggling with is this concept of time. There, you know, if I talk to somebody, somebody's gonna say it's 18 months. And then I'll say, Well, why is it 18 months? Well, it's just 18 months, and there's there's nothing, there's it's vaporware behind that hole. It's like

19:43

and usually usually they will tell you it's 18 months and three weeks and two days and four hours and 22 and that is exactly what I meant is there's so many unforeseeable things on this digital transformation and IoT journey. which you need to take into consideration. And that's why it would be reasonable to give you a time frame which says is roughly this and this Yeah. And then you can can write again shot and then look into how this is developing. But at a certain point quality before speed. Yeah. So if you just look into the deliverable of time, but then you are not matching the scope, or the quality or the cost, then something, something is not sustainable. And that's why we see so many of these IoT projects failing, because they're not set up for success in the long run. It's like, okay, ticking the box, ticking the box, ticking the box and then done. And then what have you brought your people to the party, so they have a skin in the game, they can make decisions with you on what needs to be done. So they do not be repelled by the new algorithm, machine, software, business model, whatever you want to implement. Yeah. And the other thing is that sometimes it takes time on the way to test. And only if you thoroughly tested and any see that the value is there, and then it's working, then you should move on. And that's why we see so many people in this what we call POC limbo, or McKinsey calls it POC purgatory, they go they went for this POC and then they you know, in a sandbox environment, they saw that it was working, but then they are unable to scale or to implement it. Because you're it legacy system is a completely different thing than a sandbox environment. And that's why you should not try to boil the ocean, I would advocate always for trying to minimize the effort and try to look into what is the minimal viable product that you want to achieve? And then learn, test, make your learnings and then you can scale? And then maybe it's it's one conveyor belt in your factory, then maybe it's 10. Maybe it's then this factory plus another factory? And then also, I think, what, what, what keeps people from it is this, how would I ever finance that? Because they're unable to calculate, really a return of investment. And that is not simple. Because if you're setting up a new business model, which comes as a service, you have annual recurring revenue, and then you have OPEX, and CAPEX, and how would that all mingle? And what is the prediction for it? Because for most of the people, it's uncharted territory. Yeah. So also, you need to make sure that maybe you want to performance based investments, maybe you want a one time off, whatever it is, but you need advice from somebody who has skin in the game, but at the same time, it's not forcing you into either one or the other direction.

22:43

She was interesting. Again, you're hitting on all cylinders here. The financing? Yes, that could be overwhelming. I think that that is an important component. I think that the way you approach time, I think that that's important, too. What's interesting, is that there's a lot of headwind out there, and the headwind is being pushed back by the failures, right. And the, it's, it's, it's easy for me to find failures of IoT out there, right. It's hard for me to find successes. But then again, to your point, there are there are great use cases out there that are successful. And and again, I just get down to that that trusted partner, I there's no other way of getting it, because it's so buzzy out there. I just I just need a Sherpa of some sort to help. Eric carry. Yeah, during the back. Let's move forward here up this hill. That's how I look.

23:43

Absolutely. And I think you should look out for somebody who can master both sides of the column that climb. And that is you need to have a tremendous experience and expertise, which is not the same on the IoT sector. Yeah. So you, you need to know the language you need to know about the regulations and rules in that specific industry, as well as you need to have done it a couple of times, preferably to yourself, yeah, drink your own champagne is something that that generates trust immediately. And that's why also at Siemens, we we do a lot of these things that that we create to our factories ourselves at first in order to test them Yeah. And then you have a proven track record and you can say, Okay, I know that working outside as well. And that's the OT side of the coin and then there is the IT side of the coin. Now you need to master software you need to master algorithms in the future for sure you need to find a partner that is mastering artificial intelligence by far and to bring these things together because there is only value created when you bring it and OT together and merge these different worlds. Yeah,

24:55

yeah. See, that's another topic. Bettina that's a whole nother topic. So ot it conversion. I've been out in the field. I know what it's like, ot does not talk to it now. They might, but it's no it doesn't exist. And and it's it is this digital transformation journey is hinges upon that collaboration hinges upon the conversions. And then

25:20

yeah, because ultimately it goes across silos Yeah. So then you have the people on the shop floor, then you have these people in the IT sector that is doing all these these things that nobody understands, really. And then bringing these people together is like a cultural shock most of the time. And that's why we always say that IoT, we need to tear down the silos and you need to be open. And and that's what we always say, this is not we're coming from the era of ecosystems and running into the era of ecosystem. An ecosystem means everybody has a voice at the table. Everybody has a place at the table, but also everybody has a responsibility at the table. Yeah. And no company on earth has all the wisdom and no company on Earth can do IoT on 100% scale along the value chain. No one. Yeah. And that's why, and it's good, because, you know, Siemens is super in OT and it and bring these things together. But we are not super in ERP systems. And we are not super in CRM systems. That's why we have strong partners like SAP or Salesforce. And we bring those people to the table when they are needed. And also, when it comes to connectivity, there is a good reason while the telecommunications people are strong in 5g, and they are pretty much prepped for bringing the connectivity to the table. Yeah. And you should not be so egoistic and narcissistic, and saying, I can master everything myself, and then hear customer use your beautiful thing that I created for you. And then with a customer, you start with a square, and then in the end, the customer gets a circle, because you need to cut off all the corners on the way to the results. Yeah,

26:55

I've had that conversation a number of times where we just want it right out of the box. And then at the at the end of the project, it doesn't look anything. It's that box is on the shelf, and it's all customized. And that's another big. We don't want customization we want to we want to be able to deploy versus digital transformation from an agnostic perspective. Where I'm not me, manufacturer me, industry guy. I'm not bound by I got to live with the AI there's there's this beauty with this agnostic where I I'm not married, I can play that game.

27:34

Yeah, I mean, I mean, from a, from a vendor perspective, yeah, it would be so super nice. If it would be like, selling Billy IKEA shelves. Yeah. And then you deploy that IKEA shelf, and then the customer wants a door to it. That's, that's nice. Go for it. But that's, that's not reality. Usually, IoT projects are as individual as the fingerprint of the customer was signing for them. That makes it difficult in order to scale. Yeah. And then if you cannot afford it, the company doing IoT, because every project is 100%, New, then there's too much effort needed, and then it doesn't pay off. So what we all need to learn is there potentially is already a good solution outside in the world, and it is proven. So why not looking onto this the story as a meta level of saying, what kind of job to be done? Is this thing solving? And can I use the meta level of it the methodology, the approach, whatever it is, and build up my personalization on top of it? Yeah. And that is also where we go more and more at Siemens to look into how can we pick something that we did in one industry and and you know, make it valuable and make it working in another industry with another project with another customer. And then we bring the best of the best and the best experience in the best practice from one area to the other area, in order to speed up the whole thing? Because if we look at the time that is left for us on this planet to get these things, right, in terms of sustainability, first and foremost, digital, decarbonization, this clock is ticking quite loud. Yeah. And if we would start from zero all over again, we potentially miss the 12 o'clock Bell, and that would be very disgraces for all of us. So I truly believe that we need to be more open, we need to be more collaborative. There will be a lot of competition in the future. And that is just okay. Because asset no company on Earth can do it alone. And ecosystems is your best bet how to run your own digital transformation.

29:45

Segway, baby. That is a great segue to IoT Solutions World Congress now. It's a great event. Yes, it's a great event. been there a couple of times. And why is it in important for you Siemens to be a part of that event?

30:04

Yeah, various reasons. The one is, we are there because we truly believe in networks and ecosystems, and a lot of our partners will be there as well. And that's why it is very nice to use these kind of events, also to co create to talk to each other. Because in this interpersonal contact, there's a lot of energy. And there's always like this vibe of, hey, let's sit down and do something new together. So we really appreciate that one. But then first and foremost, we go there for our customers, because this is a place where customer can educate and inform themselves. And I think a lot of these daunting challenge of IoT is a humera. Yeah, it's not real, but it is, you know, your fear is perceived as real. And so this is a good way for Siemens to show, listen, there are a lot of resolutions and a lot of solutions and references already handy for you, we can do that for you. Because we already did that for 10. Our customers Yeah. And that gives a little bit of this feeling of it is possible for customers. And that's why when we go back, and we talk to customers in the follow up of these meetings, they always report is like, I've never knew that this is existing, and I never knew there is a solution. And there is an approach for this. And so it gives a good platform for customers to inform themselves to ask our experts to sit down and to evaluate opportunities. And that is that is why we love this event. So so much because it's really a pragmatic approach. Yeah, it's not this rocket science, why kind of working enviroment? It is you sit down, I show you what we did. And then we say, Okay, what what would be a way towards your solution, your individual digital transformation journey. And that's also when we are partnering left and right, with a lot of, of big players that are also there, then it gives more even more trust for people, hey, if these two pair up to do it together, it must be good, because I'm not locked in either or it's an open environment, I can I can run with my preference, rather than somebody telling me what I must do. So this is a it's an open exchange and dialogue format, which I truly value. And also in the past, the speaker assignments have been very well picked, so that they cover a huge variety. But at the same time, they, they give customers a starting point to start their their information and education journey, and come to an educated decision making in the end, what the next best step for them to take would be.

32:54

See, I like the crackling energy that exists at that event. Now, of course, it's been put on hold for the past couple of years because of the obvious the pandemic, but there when when it was rolling, it had it had such a collegial feel to it. And people are just there's energy there. There's an excitement. And and I want to make sure our listeners you. The reality is, is that you need to look at digital transformation, whatever that might look like you need to okay, it's it's got to be a part of your thinking. I know you're saying to yourself, Scott, I don't know where to start. IoT solutions, World Congress, events like that are a absolute must. So that you can go there, you can get educated, you can begin at your own pace, be able to consume the information that is relevant to you, and then be able to, especially at IoT solutions, World Congress, sort of springboard to somebody that might have other additional answers, and then be able, you know, they got tables around there that everybody just sort of congregates, and they sit there and they, they chirp and they think about the future and everything like that. It's a pretty cool place. But I just highly recommend highly encourage each and every one of you outside of finding Bettina, but to go to that event, and and just get engaged. It's it's a great they they put on quite the show. So

34:24

absolutely. Absolutely. And then I mean, it's it's for each and every one whether you're already advanced and a lot of IoT, or whether you're a newbie, and this is just fine. Yeah. Because it's nobody, nobody is telling you you already should have done it like three to five times. It is not true. Just start and get information small exactly and find the right right news and the right people to talk to and just get inspired by by the knowledge that is available in this concentrated form. You got what you want.

35:01

Yeah. And take that ego that exists on your lap right there and stick it on the shelf, and then start talking about how we can create an ecosystem that benefits you listener out there, because it does just begin that digital transformation journey, no matter what, find the people that that you can have that conversation, and you will know.

35:24

Yeah, and I mean, it's like, sometimes people are so afraid of these things. And guess what, I have an IoT application for my chicken. Because I have like, the chicken are pretty much like, like I am. And they they they break out. Yeah. And so when I haven't like a use case that says, if these chickens so the camera detects the chicken, if the chicken approach to near to the door and the door for whatever reason is open, it launches an alarm. Yeah, this just the Raspberry Pi with a little camera and an algorithm that detects the the silhouette of chickens when they get too close to the door. Yeah. Which is super simple to use case ever. It's it was a very good solution to prevent my chicken of running onto the street. So it starts small, yeah. Would it help to run a chicken farm?

36:18

No. That's

36:21

the Think of small things and then envision how you can scale it. And don't be afraid of these 3000 pound gorilla. Sometimes it's just a little little puppy on there is a little bit barking. And so I would encourage you to go to the IoT solution World Congress and figure out what would help you and learn from others. This is a good start.

36:42

So you've inspired me Bettina, How do other people get a hold of Bettina?

36:49

Oh, wow. First of all, I'm to be found on LinkedIn, very simple, Bettina, Rotermund. Search for Siemens, that's very, very easy. And then I hopped around a couple of events from the IoT world to IoT solution Congress in Barcelona. And, yeah, I think in the future, there will be even more because we're planning big things around IoT and digital transformation, Siemens, hopefully will launching in in the spring to summer. And then of course, the best way to interact is Twitter or LinkedIn.

37:28

All right, her name is Bettina. Last name is spelled R O T E R, m u n d. Did I get that right? Absolutely. Get a little comment there. And please go ahead means read

37:39

lips in English. So

37:43

thank you. Alright, reach out to her get her get you will not be disappointed connect with her out on LinkedIn. Excellent job, Tina. Thank you very much for being on industrial talk.

37:54

Thank you so much for having me was so much fun.

37:57

Cool. Very cool. All right, listeners. We're gonna wrap it up on the other side, we're gonna have all the contact information for it. Bettina, Siemens, and everything else in between IoT Solutions World Congress, put that on your calendar. Make it a note you. It's Barcelona. How can you go wrong with that? Great bye. Yeah. All right. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

38:18

You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.

38:28

Alright, that's Bettina. She says her last name better than I do, girl. I butchered it. But nonetheless, you got to reach out to her go out to her stack card. I measure everything in in the area of food and beer, high beer factor. You want to hang out with patina in a big doggone way. Reach out. She has answers. And you can trust her. Did you digital transformation is here. Find a trusted partner, Bettina. She'll set your right. All right again. IoT schools throw Congress is a conference that is in Barcelona. Yep, it's in Barcelona. And it is May 10. To the 12th. This year, put it on your calendar and it's also brought to you by the industrial inner IoT Consortium. Got to find out Gotta educate, alright. Be bold, be brave, dare greatly. Bettina is somebody that's bold, brave and Daring Greatly hang out with her, and you're going to change the world. Thank you very much for joining industrial talk. We're gonna have another great conversation right around the corner.

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00:00

This industrial talk podcast was recorded on location at Nottingham, Spirk and E and y or Ernst and Young or just EY. Both companies dedicated to your success focused on the future and solving big problems contact Nottingham Spirk and EY if you have a desire for a brighter future

00:27

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott Mackenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So good on your hardhat grab your work boots, and let's write

00:45

Welcome to industrial talk the number one industrial related podcast in the universe. And I'm not overselling that. It celebrates you the industrial heroes, the people that get it done. You are bold, you are brave. You dare greatly you innovate. You solve problems. You're changing lives and you're changing the world each and every day. And that's what this platform is for you for you. We celebrate you. Alright, we're broadcasting if you've heard the last one we're broadcasting from Nottingham Spirk. You're saying yourself, Scott, I don't know what that is. You will because I'm talking to the gentleman right here. Right next to me. His name is John Nottingham. And he is one of Nottingham sorry, he's not the Nottingham sorry. Let's get cracking. HEY, this is fantastic. Like, I'm telling you, listener, listeners, you need to put this on your bucket list. Big time. Can Can people just come in and see this place?

01:40

By LIDAR? No.

01:42

Well, do I know somebody that can make that happen?

01:44

I promise.

01:47

So contact me and I'll be able to open doors because this is a spectacular, and I mean, spectacular location. For the listeners. Let's just level set real quick here, John, just give us a little I mean, clearly, it's a bigger conversation, but just give us a little background on who you are.

02:05

Well, my partner John Spirk and I graduated from design school, and we both got fortune 500 job offers my parents were so proud. And we turned it down.

02:20

Then your parents are saying what we found

02:23

a garage. And we started an innovation company and our parents said, What are you doing? What is that? We did it? And I never looked back?

02:34

See? So the question is why? I mean, that's not conventional thinking, John, it is not. It's not it. And I guarantee you, your parents are saying we need to what, what you just graduated, and that's a heck of a school. Yeah.

02:49

But But we wanted to do something different. You know, we wanted to do something big. And we had to start small.

02:58

Right? And by the way, if you're listening, that's a helicopter flying over cut, top of us disregard John's more important than that helicopter. So let's listen to John there. But why? What was that inside of you that said, hey, I want to do something because you come here today? Yeah. I mean, you've seen the whole journey. You come here today. It's impressive. Nothing less, nothing short of impressive. Why at that particular time, did you guys say I'm going to go to I'm going to go a different direction?

03:25

Well, we've always created, we were always, we're always building things, always designing things, always innovating things. And graduating, we just kept going. We just kept finding companies that wanted to go on a journey. And create something and and grow.

03:45

See, this is interesting. I had a conversation with a gentleman and and what stuck out and you guys live it here. Yeah, this is what's interesting. You think of the end user, you think of that person over here, that you're going to be designing something here. And you're going to say, hey, I want to solve a problem. I want to deliver something. I want to I want them to get a user experience, whatever that is. That that was was that a typical thinking at the time?

04:15

Yes. So every I don't care what business you're in. You have a customer, right? Yes. Yeah. So

04:24

you, let's put it that way. Yes. Or it's a hobby. So

04:28

the fortune 500 Number one CEO came to visit us. Ask Doug McMillon, CEO of Walmart, and I and he's going around our innovation center. Well describe our innovation center. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I said Doug here, you know, you're the number one CEO in the world, largest company in the world. He says, You know, John, if I don't deliver to my customer she wants I'm done. I need innovation. I need something to make her say, Wow, okay, yeah. John, that's your job. I said, Your I

05:10

see this is interesting. Now I can I can rattle off all of the challenges of the pandemic. Yes. And they're out there got it understand. One of the things that I believe as a positive is the, the the need for businesses to collaborate to solve problems to figure out solutions. And one of the things that popped out is the power of that customer. All of a sudden, I can't get my products. And everybody's a supply chain. Expert. And and it's, it's an interesting realization of how important that customer is. And if you're not pinpoint focused on their needs, you're missing the mark,

05:54

part of our secret sauce. And it's so simple. And it's amazing how many people don't do it blows me away with my client partners, I say I want to know your customer. I want your customer inside our Innovation Center, inside our focus room, behind our two way mirror, I want you to see this the twinkle in their eye. I want to see the body language. They may not even say something, but I want you to see your customer. What are you putting your customers now, all of a sudden, now you have a pandemic? HEY, your your your customers freaked out? What are you going to do about it? Here's opportunity. Say every problem. Every every problem that I see is an innovation invention in disguise. Now, yeah, you'll say, I've got rehab 13 150 issued atoms that we have created co created with our with our client partners. 13 150.

06:55

That's, that's, that's spectacular. I don't have one.

06:59

There we go. So you know what? To get a patent, so simple. It's so no, no,

07:06

no, no, no, no, no, you're soft pedaling, because. Okay,

07:10

go ahead. I'm gonna give you this thing. There's only one criteria for a patent. patent claim. It has to be ready for this. Okay. On obvious. That's it. I'm serious. It doesn't it's it's not a good idea. It's not a great solution. It's if it's obvious, it doesn't get a patent. It only gets a patent if it's not obvious. That's it.

07:39

Okay, so I'm wandering the halls here, right? Yeah. And you've got example after example, after victory after victory of just displays. Yes. All excited. It's like, yes, yes. I just I'm dazzled right back. There was one in there. And when you have that definition, it's the baby cradle one, right? Yes. Come on. That's obvious. No, no, it isn't.

08:02

Hold on, hold on. You want to know if the patent is? Yes, please. Okay. It's easy to do a bassinet, right. Right there. Okay. Our client wanted to stick out. So we had to do something on obvious. So okay, what do I do? I have my customer come in a mother. She's gonna have a baby. What are some of the issues that are happening? So we look at the trends and there's one trend that mothers are co sleeping with their babies in their bed? That's not a good, a good idea. But I'm not gonna argue it. That's my customer talking. So what did I do? I did a bassinet that is swiveled on to the bottom Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Hold on. It's brought to the mother's bed. And the side has a spring and the mother can cradle and CO sleep with her baby in her bed and the baby is is comforted and safe. Now listen to this. So we so we got a patent on it. Right? An obvious yes, it's Las Vegas to the juvenile furniture show right? At the end of the show, they have an award for number one innovation at show. Guess which one didn't bang go okay. If you or your significant other is going to a baby shower wants a big deal. Maybe gift. It's the Bassen nest bass and nest an obvious Oh, this thing is the number one bassinet in the country because it's on obvious see.

09:48

So I'm walking by and I see it and then I realize it's like no kidding. Are you kidding me? This is amazing. Yeah, it is. Yeah. So okay, so as we as we venture in so here's the deal. Alright, so I come to you, I'm a business, I'm going, Okay, God, I need your help. You're going to go and you're going to look at my customer, whatever it is like, what do they need? And you're going to have a conversation. It's real. It's like, what are you looking for? What's what's going on? What's your pain, whatever, you

10:13

know, I say, Be careful what you wish for, because it will come true

10:16

in it and see, and that's interesting, because it's real out there. Right? What I am fascinated by it, is that you'd say, okay, got this idea. We go through the prototype, you're starting to design it. Right. Very cool, right? But you also throw in, is it? Is it going to be marketable? Is there a business case around that? Yes. And then all of a sudden, you're gonna say, okay, yes, yes. And then you're gonna say, now we have to modify, or we have to manufacture right? This product. Yeah, you're involved there. Yes. And that's why you have such great success, because it's cradle to grave grave. And it is because you, you take into consideration and this is where I find I'm sorry, I'm sure. You can tell. I'm geeking out everybody. This is just too cool. Right? Where it starts to fail is like, Here, here's your here. Here it is. Now. Good luck with it.

11:07

Now, let me tell you, that's cool. Let me tell you the secret sauce. Don't tell the other secrets. Anybody? Okay. Remember that? 13 150 patents I say? Now, the US government has given 10 million patents? What percentage? What percentage of those 10 million do you think have been commercialized? What percentage?

11:30

I unfortunately know the answer. Because i i I'm very inquisitive. 5%. Baby?

11:36

Yes. 5%? Yes. 5%. That is, everybody knows that number. All right. Everybody knows, like, that's

11:43

common knowledge.

11:44

I got a patent award. I was. I was National Academy of inventors. I got an award from the from the commissioner of US patents, and he's putting the metal around my neck. And I reminded him I said, I said, you know that only 5%? Yeah, I see it. He's like, Yeah, yeah. I said, we have 1300 50 patents. 95% have been commercialized 95%. And

12:11

the remaining 5% are still in the process of getting commercialized yet.

12:15

So So here's the thing. Why is that? Big? Why? Why is the track record of other patents so abysmal? Because they're invented in silos? Yeah, you have an insights group. And that they throw it over the wall, and it goes to a design group, they throw it over the wall, it goes to the engineer that throw it over the wall to the prototype, or they keep trying it over the wall. Okay. And by the time it's at, it doesn't bear any resemblance to where you started. You see him saying, what we do, this is what we do in our innovation center here. And you're looking at it, it's historic Bill, you like this?

12:54

That's a whole nother conversation, because I just look at it. And it's like, all I can think of is how did they get the material in here? How did they, they built it. And then when you go when you walk in the rotunda, whatever you want to come back,

13:07

you know, you know, the return of our innovation center is bigger than the US Capitol.

13:13

Spectacular. That's the first thing I noticed. It's like, whoa, whoa, taking my breath away. I

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know. It's impressive.

13:22

Very cool. So we're second, the secret sauce that gets thrown over the wall, throwing it over the wall.

13:31

We start with a plant partner, they have give me your biggest problem. Give me your biggest opportunity. Just you think it's impossible? On obvious, okay, right. And we put a team together at the very beginning, we have a project manager, okay, the project manager has leads for insights, design, engineering, prototyping, digitization commercialization, and they're all there at the front end all of them. And they very carefully go through a 12 month process to commercialization and 95% get there. That's the difference.

14:14

How do you and because I, I interview many within industry, my backgrounds industry, and I and I've been experienced in that, that conference room where somebody comes up with an idea. Okay, it might not, it might be a little off the mark, but there might be some nuggets of truth, right? Yeah. But in industry, it gets shut down.

14:40

That's the problem. That's the silo. Exactly. Correct.

14:43

Yeah. So create that cool. Okay. So what we do, don't shoot people do we do

14:48

is we start with the customer. We start with how right? It's all right. Okay. You start with a customer. So you bring a customer in. Okay. and you start talking to him, you know, what about this product or that product? What do you love? What do you hate? What this? Did you start getting this input, okay? And you get their pain points. And you can you start, all of a sudden you open the customers mind and you start picking their brain, what do they do? What do they want, so forth. That's number one. Then you take all of that great data, and you go into your designers. And now your designers have what we call a creative session. And the creative session is we focus in a room, you have about eight to 12 people. And we focus on what we call mild to wild. Man, it's cool. Alright, so mild is the obvious thing, you know, just get that out of your head. Okay. Yeah. Now, you got that out your head. What's the wildest thing you could say? I don't care if it can't be done. I don't care if the technology then I don't care if it's levitating. I don't care what what is the wildest, wildest thing? Now get that out of your head. Now, everything in between, now you have 100 ideas. 100 ideas, I call that the diverging concept, you diverge, and you just, there's no bad ideas, by the way. Nobody can shoot anything down. Okay, good. And you do that. So now the walls are literally filled with posts, felled, and you're exhausted and you go home. Okay, you go home. The next session is the con verging session. You take those 100 ideas. Now you separate them in groups. You sketch your best ones, and everybody takes turns saying, I like this one, make a presentation. But here's this here's the here's the sacred thing. And I'm gonna give it don't tell anybody. Okay? Don't listen, guys. Everybody has three is everybody can do this. By the way. 333 note cards. Everybody gets three note cards. One note card says, nice. One note card says, Who cares? And one note card says, wow. Okay, now, it's coming out now. Put it down. Yeah. Make your make your passionate presentation on this idea. Now everybody at the same time, put up your notecards. Okay, now, he's made a passion or he or she made a passionate thing. Everybody says Who cares? I don't care. Get rid of it. It's never gonna fly. Okay. The next guy comes up. Next person comes up mix their passion thing. Nice. Nice. Nice. You know, that's the hardest one. Yeah, because everybody's got nice product too many nice product is produced. Nice and nice. And they come out. And they have nice sales. Nice sales. But when you have this thing, every once in a while you do. Everybody says Wow. Wow. You know, when you walked in, when you walked in our rotunda, what did you say? Oh, I

18:07

said, Wow, I did.

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Not planned. Wow. Is it emotional response? Boom, wow. Okay. When I when I have this idea, and I put it in front of the group, and I say okay, put your note cards up and everybody says, Wow, I got a winner. I got it. Okay. Then the hard work starts. Yeah. Then you, you know, you design, you make a prototype of it, you always come back to the customer. Okay. You keep on going here. I had a thing, Scott, I think it was a new Iron, steam iron. And it was a prototype, but it looked just like the real thing. And I had a woman in there and said, I want to buy this thing. And we said, well, you know, it's a prototype. It's there's only one I mean, she did she She put her arms around it says I'm not leaving. I want to buy this thing. I knew I had a winner.

19:04

So this is interesting. Yeah. So there's a tremendous amount of energy. Oh, by

19:08

the way, become the number one selling art in the United States. But it is what yeah, what is it? What's the number one? I

19:14

don't? Don't know. But there

19:17

you go. I got a million of these stories to see, here's the deal.

19:20

Here's the deal. What makes this location this innovation center? Yes, this juggernaut and solutions is the fact that when you walk around your to your team, you can go from concept all the way to your

19:38

creating vertically integrated right there. Yes, everything's there.

19:43

Everything's there. Yeah. And you're saying I'm looping in the customer at the same time. So all

19:48

the way through ERP we are at this stage, the customer comes back. And you know, we know by the time we're out in the market, we know but then yeah, but then we never go on a national launch. We go on a soft launch. One soft launch with one retailer, one region of the country, because we want to know, even if we think it's a winner is the price right is a position right? Is it packaged? Right? Is it gonna? Is it gonna perform the way we want to? And then we see that and if there's a if there's an issue, we'll tweak it. No problem. But when we get it right, then scaling is no problem. No problem. It's just so exciting. Let me tell you this story. Amazing. I've the Sherwin Williams twist and pour paint container. You see that?

20:33

Okay, so I've seen it. Yes. Okay, good. Talk to us about the show. Cuz it's obvious, but everybody knew he's like,

20:41

talk not only is it not obvious, I've got 23 patents on it. But yeah, who's counting? Who's counting? Who's counting? Okay, so paint has been in metal cans forever. Okay. You need a screwdriver, open it you need a hammer to close it. You know, you know the contractor. He doesn't care. But the do it yourselfer does big time. So we bring the dirt yourself around. She says I can't get a butter knife to open this. I mean, I don't want what if I had

21:11

sorry, guys, five years? Yes. I was there. butter knife we're getting

21:17

we're getting so they got to open the open the thing with a with a thing. It always pours down the stack. You gotta have a hammer to close it. It's messy. You know what? Maybe there's a better package. So we did. We partnered with Sherwin Williams, we created a product called a question pour paint container. You don't need up, you just twist it open. You poured it doesn't drip. You push it back. And it's a square can and it's wonderful. Now we knew the customer liked it. Loved it

21:48

doesn't get stuck. Now. See, when I saw it out there on the floor, or wherever it was within the journEY around this place? When I saw it, I just said how many times have I taken a can use the butter knife, open it up? Had to share it or do whatever and then close it back up with a nut with a hammer. And it splatters everywhere. It was just but it never changed.

22:15

Is that good customer engagement? I don't think so.

22:17

No, not one bit. This is it. Right? Do you like it?

22:21

Great right here. See? So that is dazzling? Right? It's dad?

22:29

He does stuff all day long. Man. This is a blood test with that. It's it's the it's that little machine. Gotcha.

22:36

And that's it. Yes. And it is it is going to change blood testing in the world. Not the not the world. Why? The art. So let me tell you, let me tell you. It has a little has a little thing called the clock chip, you prick your finger, you take a blood test, you put it on our little handheld machine, right? And instantaneously. You can tell for instance, if your blood is too thin or too thick if you're taking a blood thinner, okay? With not with no antigens, it's used. It uses physics instead of chemistry. Alright, you don't have to get antigens from China. You can do it right here. It's all digital, and it's instantaneous has never been done. And it's on obvious

23:24

scene. That's amazing. Yeah. So you just eliminated the necess. The supply chain, it says it's it's digital. It's right next right there. It doesn't have to tell you, man, it's, it's spectacular.

23:38

It's been what care bike? Yes. mountain bike. So the bike has been manufactured in Northeast Ohio. And because it's an E bike, it's got software that has three modes. One is E by, you know, 25 miles an hour, no license, moped well, more powerful and full on badass motorcycles. 85 miles an hour, right? Yes, same thing. Yeah, it's been manufactured right here, and it's got a plug in battery, you can take it out, you can run your laptop on it in the woods or whatever. I mean, it changes the game, and it's gonna be manufacturing. So

24:21

I have we could, we can definitely talk forever. For me, I don't have the time. I could just sit here and have a great DisnEY Land of innovation, big time. And it is true that you're not underselling that one bit. Oh, not one and how bad now one of the questions I do have, because you've been around for many years. I think we're coming up on what the universe is Xero big 500 And we're starting our second five year 50 year plan. And you should yeah, you'll be around. There's a legacy here.

24:51

We're working. We're working on that. Yeah, you're

24:52

fine. You're fine. But the thing that I'm interested in is how did this whole it's like one day People were talking about this digital transformation. It's great. It's, it's good around a coffee table. But now it's real real. How has that really impacted the way you look at products? Everything

25:12

is digital today, everything. And, and I, you know, when you go into our prototype facility, which is like that prototype, isn't that great?

25:21

I like every I even like, I mean, I like every part of this building.

25:25

Here's the things we ourselves was factory 3.0 Here, we've got all of these, these, these CNC machines. Yeah. And in digital, 3d printing is all that stuff. But we are even taking the ones that are like 30 years old. And we're digitizing. You don't have to have a brand new. You don't have to redo your factory. That's it now. Yes. And so you can you can get you can get predictive maintenance, you can get yours next. Oh, you can do a digital twin of your old old factory and bring it up to factory 4.0 and an eight that hard. See,

26:05

where do you see it? Okay, put your future hat on. Okay.

26:09

Are you kidding me? Scott, I always have my future.

26:12

He was taking a group around his organization here. And you can tell that there's a there's still immense passion. You're never tired about? Oh, no, no. And rightly so. I was born to do you were born to do this. So where do you where do you think it's going? Where's this? My

26:28

God? The sky is the limit. We just have the launch pad here. Alright, we have the launch pad. We're building the rockets. And I don't know how have these rockets are gonna go but the sky's the limit. I'm telling you.

26:41

What if a company wants to get ahold of you, what do you do?

26:43

Pick up the phone.

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World Wide Web, you know that that internet,

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you can push a

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Nottingham's. Oh, there

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you go.com Right. You got that URL.

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I did that.

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All right. We're gonna wrap it up on their site. So stay tuned, do not go away. You will not be disappointed.

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00:04

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's Alright, once again, thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast where we celebrate industry heroes such as yourself, you're the dream makers, you are the miracle workers, you are creator of hope, because you're bold, you're brave, you're dare greatly. you innovate, you solve problems, you never stop thinking. That's why we celebrate you on this podcast, because you deserve it. And we love you, thank you for what you're doing. And thank you for making my life easier. All right. in the hot seat, we've got a gentleman by the name of Jason Spera. He's with a company called ages, we are talking about automating highly adaptive manufacturing. That's automating personalization, that is taking manufacturing, and then making it so adaptive that it can switch on a dime. They've got the platform, let's get a crackin. Yeah, I want you to think bigger. No, no, not not. No, I want you to think bigger than that. I want you to, once again, change the world. And that requires big, doggone thinking, that requires you to say why not? What if, and, and we highlight so many individuals, so many companies that fall into that category, where they're just saying, Well, why can't it be done? Why not? What if, and I chess, love the energy, you know, this platform is all dedicated to education, industrial education. And as a participant as you are participated, you contribute to the platform that's ever growing, ever expanding in the world of industrial education. It's an exciting time. And he should just be so happy to be in industry, and what you're doing. Look at the IoT look at industry for Dido, look at all the stuff that's taking place, and everybody that we highlight on this particular podcast. All right. Again, we want to get our lives back in order back to whatever normal looks like, right? So we have a couple of events that I want you to put down on your calendar. Again, IoT solutions. We're on Congress, October 5 through the seventh. And this is in beautiful Barcelona. Lovely, lovely town. I'm telling you right now put that on your bucket list, brought to you by industrial internet consortium and Farah, Barcelona, been broadcasting live there for the past couple of years. It is exceptional, exceptional event. And it brings about some of the biggest thinkers within this world. That is challenging, you know, edge cloud AI, you name it, digital twin, it's happening out there, quantum computing. It's happening at the IoT solutions World Congress, October 5, through the seventh already. The second one that we have here is the manufacturing technology show, Cleveland, Ohio. If you've never been to Cleveland, you need to be in Cleveland. It is a great location, great place for the manufacturing technology show that is November 9, through the 11th. I'm going to be broadcasting live there. We're going to be highlighting incredible individuals once again, that are in the manufacturing and technology space. It will it I'm telling you right now, it will not disappoint outside of the fact that people are just absolutely beautiful and wonderful there outside of the fact that the food is exceptional, and wonderful as well. You got to make yourself go to this just Cleveland baby, just Cleveland pop out up there. Great airport. No excuses. Let's get our life back in order. All right. Jason Spera. I'm telling you this, this whole innovation, this whole digitization, this whole ability to be able to adapt your manufacturing process quickly to respond to market demands and and it's exciting, and and ages has that'll platform the technology to do so. That all right. Enjoy this interview with Jason Spera. Jason, welcome to the industrial talk podcast absolute honor that you have joined the number one industrial related podcast in the universe. I don't think I'm overselling that am I? Thanks. So Scott, thank you. There it is, folks. I'm not overselling it. Jason said so. All right, Jason. We're gonna have a great conversation listeners. We're going to be talking a little bit about

04:59

which I'm Pretty, pretty geeked about, um, you know, I get geeked about this stuff. We're talking about automating highly adaptive manufacturing, and really automating personal personalization. I don't know what that means when I do, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna step in on in Jason's toes, Jason, for the listeners out there, give us a little 411 on who you are, and why you're such an incredible professional. Well, I don't know about the latter part, but I can say who I are. Come on, don't be so doggone humble.

05:28

Oh, thank you, Jason Spera. As you said, I am the CEO of HP Software. And what we do is basically manufacturing automation systems used to be called MEMS. Now, it's manufacturing operations management, large software systems for doing digitizing everything basically within the boundary of the factory walls. And that's, that's what we do. I used to be a manufacturing engineer and a defense factory. And that was a quarter of a century ago. But that was where the idea for this product actually was born. And then over the years, it has obviously grown in scope to encompass all the main functions that a manufacturing operations needs, from where the handoff from PLM and the design to the manufacturing engineering office, that's where we pick up so we transform the designs and the bills of materials and data for mi RP into everything needed for production. And we support the execution of the process, gather the data from the machines, manage quality, and test, and then all the way out to the shipping dock. and everything in between, basically. And it's been, it's, you know, having come from manufacturing and engineering myself, like you, you said, you like talking about this stuff, I still very much love it. And the engineering group kind of can't keep me out of their knickers, I stuck in that side.

06:52

Well, you know, it's interesting, because there's been a lot of changes taking place within manufacturing. And I think that it's an exciting time. I think the future's bright. I think that companies that recognize this digital transformation, this journey, this ability to be able to leverage technology, and help their manufacturing be successful going forward and more resilient, whatever you want to call it. I really love it. Now, I have to ask the question, what's PLM product lifecycle management, sorry, I get to the alphabet soup, we're gonna try to avoid that, because you're talking to somebody that's truly a butter knife in the drawer, I'm not gonna watch it. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna sit there. And I'm gonna stub my toe on all of these acronyms. Because I got to know because I'm geeking out. So let's, let's lay this foundation a little bit, outside of the fact that if you go out to his stat card on LinkedIn, you will be impressed. He is a Villanova alum. And looks like he's got major street cred when it comes to this stuff. Now. Let's talk a little bit about automating highly adaptive manufacturing. The way I look at it today, is that if I order a part, it just goes through the manufacturing, and then it's shipped to me. What does that mean? What are we talking about adaptive manufacturing? What is that?

08:17

Well, it's a bit of a broad subject, but I agree with you. It's exciting because, um, and again, using all the buzzwords I mean, industry for Oh, if you get 100 professionals in the room about what the fourth industrial revolution is, you will get at least 100 different definitions, which is become a problem. Everybody knows. It's great. And it's here, and it's coming or coming. But the definition so I just like the first throw out what, what we think at ages, and I personally think it really is in I would say layman's terms is that the concept that a factory or manufacturing operation is no longer such a hassle. In order to be efficient, it has to build 100,000 units of the exact same thing a month, because we've already got that down. Henry Ford established the expectation that if you build a lot of something that isn't customized, you can do it efficiently, right. And we've lived with that mentality for a long time. I think industry four oh means that we can get those efficiencies. But with single piece flow, meaning the customer wants something completely specified by them, where every unit moving down the line is effectively either a totally different type of product or a customized personalized product. And yet it doesn't come with that price tag. It's done at the same efficiency of the the mass production line. And that to me is the dream of the fully adaptable factory that I personally believe is the dream of industry for so it's that it's that idea that it's a it's like a fully digitized factory that you can effectively throw anything you want bill at it and it will without a loss A lot of human involvement, effectively figure out how to build that for you efficiently. So it's, it's bespoke production at a high volume efficiency.

10:09

See, that's dead sexy. I like that definition in a big way. And it's just absolutely, that's actually somebody in light with of what you just explained. applied it to tennis shoes, right? There, you go out there, there's like a ton of different than not me, trust me, not me, I'll go down and I'll grab my tennis and I'm running off. But some people like customized tennis shoes, and to be able to apply that ability to these customers, without a burper snarl and being able to, from a customer centric perspective, receive those cool tennis shoes. Because it's, it's, it's adaptive manufacturing, I like that a lot. Now, let's talk about I mean, you brought it up, and there's a there's a possibility of a stodgy type of mindset when it comes to manufacturing. We do it this way. And this is the way we do it. And I'm going to continue to refine that manufacturing process accordingly. Now you're talking about something that is really unique and special and, and maybe cause pain, how does somebody a manufacturer say I like it, I'm adapting it to my customers needs. What do I do?

11:26

Well, that's a great question. And that is, I think, where industry finds itself right now is literally in that question. So say, there's two ways you can go. There's the way the mega companies win. And frankly, I have a feeling I know what manufacturer you're talking about with the shoes. And I'm aware of how you know that was done. And it really is amazing. But they do it with customization of software, because frankly, let me back up a moment. Add volume, if you want full personalization, you can't simply throw humans at it. Because then it just becomes too expensive. And in frankly, with the volumes, factories producing products these days, it's just not even really possible anymore. So you you are talking about digitization. So let me establish that kind of as a baseline. So how do you do the digitization, there's only two routes. There's, if you're a very large manufacturer, and you have an army of IT people and integrators, the tendency is for them to build a custom solution to handle it. And in the situation of the shoes, that's viable, because it isn't somewhat static product line. And within it, it's high customized, you can build something that will work for that line. The other route is out of the box software. And I think that's where the new frontier is, that's what we're really proud about is that you literally have an MLM system that's running the factory that is not customized. And yet it can intercept that configuration of each piece the customer is ordering, and figure out how to make that factory produce that product. So it's either the out of the box approach that's highly adaptable, or the custom software approach. Both work, we personally believe that the out of the box is more cost effective and future scalable than just constantly because you know, it does become well frankly, there's a reason why mid market manufacturers haven't done personalization, because traditionally, they haven't been able to afford the army of engineers to build the custom solution to do it in what we think is democratizing ability. So any manufacturer can do it via an off the shelf system like ours is why we're so excited about it. And we think that will proliferate the concept of consumer personalization, even in mid market products into areas that couldn't be done before.

13:47

You know, I love what you're saying. Because it really what you're doing is you're opening up of me as a consumer, you're opening up greater options for me to whatever whatever my desires and wishes, my preferences, whatever it might be, and, and trickling down into the mid-market and I like that, but how do you take up a digital solutions such as ages, and take a manufacturing line and connect those two solutions together? I mean, how

14:26

that it's that and it actually is a credit to our CTO and Co-Founder because his concept for this actually goes back two decades is that he never thought that this system, it would never work well for the breadth of customers we hope to have and that we now have if it was in any way rigid or requiring coding to wrap it around the process. Because frankly, if you're creating a system like ours, that's the easier way to do it. The route that he went was that you need to architect the system. So that Everything in it is adaptable through the user interface by the lay person, meaning that the manufacturing engineers that are configuring it or whatever, you don't have to get it involved. And it is the second part of it, that's the kind of the architectural skin of it, you have to do. The other one is that the idea of a virtual process versus the physical process, I can talk, I can drive you to death with boredom on this, but this system hours was always separated the physical assets of the factory from the virtual process, which now some others are starting to do that as well. But when you do that, it enables your technology to change the routes, change the process, change everything dynamically, without having to say like systems that say, it'll go from machine X to machine, why the workstation. So you know, those are very rigid and hard to instantaneously adapt, he came up with a concept of separating the virtual concept of the process from the physical assets that are needed to fulfill it. And when you do that you can actually automate I mean, we have our system is such that if I say a fourth operator on line three simply calls out sick, it will, without human intervention can actually change the work instructions, the route to compensate for the lack of that one workstation immediately. And that's a very simple example. But that can't be done if your system is looking at everything as these are my routes, frankly, the way er p does you know, it the RP just looks at workstation routes, Rs looks at it in a bit more sophisticated level, but not because for the sake of sophistication, it's for the sake of adaptability that it does that.

16:47

Is there an AI component, you mentioned something that is sort of this learning capability or, or an adaptive capability, is there an AI component to this particular process?

16:56

That for us not as yet. And that is a subject of great research, because we think AI has a lot of amazing applications. And I'll tell you why. Our systems in larger companies are aggregating an unbelievable amount of data from all the IoT feeds we're getting and the processes. And what has happened is, and it's it's disappointing to us as we have all our real time dashboards and reports and alarming systems and everything that customers like using, but they're not. The body of data is getting beyond the human ability to look and see patterns in it. Like process deviations, and so forth. And we feel that AI one of the many applications we're looking at right now is that AI is good at that AI is looking at it is great, and looking at huge amounts of incoming data and seeing patterns that humans just simply get bored or can't see. So like when when things are bone piles are forming, that the human might not even realize or a process is deviating or there's been a pattern across 15 work orders that a human just would never see it stuff like that. We want to apply AI to the data, we already have to help making prescriptive suggestions to the customer rather than just dashboards and reports and things. So to us, that's actually really exciting. Yeah,

18:20

you're absolutely right. It's always that that tsunami of data. And it's never been an issue of being able through the the the IoT devices and whatever devices that exist out there. There's data is easy, because it's, it's when you try to figure out what that's good data. It's not so good data, and be able to have that in humans can do that. And I think that that's a that's a bright opportunity. They can crack that code that that'd be great. Speaking of bright opportunities, where where do you see this going? What, what is the ultimate objective? You know, what, what is that driver? What's that simple driver?

18:58

The ultimate objective right now that we are seeing, there's probably two main ones and you've touched on one with the AI customers are beginning to there's a I'm in a lot more conversations that are, I would say have tipped over from the science fiction conversations about AI to the more practical we're now in the face talking about literally what is the right way because there's a million ways to apply it. And we're in that phase with customers talking about how best to apply it which I think is very exciting. But the goal gets back to what I said earlier is I think the completely adaptive factory that is not built on custom software is the goal where industry fluro capabilities that that single piece flow at high efficiency is something that can be acquired by a company of almost any size, not just a mega corporation that has 1000 cut you know it people to work on building custom software. That that's the goal were the digitization of the factory is available to almost any size manufacturer. And then they can start providing personalized production and things like manufacturing repair and overhaul, which is typically relegated to the really high end manufacturers only that too becomes democratized.

20:21

Jazz, that's cool stuff. Because now all of a sudden, me as mid-level, whatever that whatever that looks like, I'm able to compete with the big people and, and be able to, to manufacture and very efficiently very, very competitively, and very adaptively. That's a word adaptively to meet market demands and preferences. And I like that a lot. Now, what's the problem? How come I'm not doing it? What's my Roadblock,

20:50

that the roadblock is that I sympathize with all these meetings I'm in with prospective customers and so forth is these technologies and the options are, they're getting, it's a shame because it is getting complex. And there are customers and manufacturers that have put together say continuous improvement teams and so forth, that are thinking in the more abstract way about where the company needs to go in terms of operations, digitization, those projects, and the journey towards industry for over them, I see tends to go nicely. Then there are the other approaches, which are looking at it as very large committees of people that have legitimate and real lists of needs, but they're looking at it in as a matrix of huge matrix of needs, and that you lose the forest for the trees and digitization when you do it that way, because then that leads to well, we could get a pile of integrators to build this, we could patch something together with an app based tool on top of VRP. And, you know, while you can do that, I don't think it's the optimal approach to factory digitization, because it's sort of just a new form of customization. Whereas platform approaches, and not just ours, you know, there's other ones out there, if you know what's going with a proper platform, I think those companies are going to wind up looking back in five to 10 years and saying, we're very glad we did this, because look at how efficient This is, we are not constantly re customizing this. It's just working and it's evolving. And you know, from the vendor, not from our own it grew. So for

22:42

sure that that's, I like that. What if I was a manufacturer? What is the risk if I don't say I hear what Jason saying, but I like the old way, Mo, I'm a legacy guy,

22:55

the razor call, we call it shadow costs. I would certainly never say the names. But there are a lot of very, very good companies out there that I do not believe they're seeing manufacturers that I do not believe their CEO knows how much shadow cost in the IT overhead of these custom systems is actually costing that enterprise because it becomes a quiet thing that no one looks at and all of a sudden you look back in five years, you're like, Oh my gosh, why is this group five times the size it was when we embarked on this project right now. And then it gets to be a runaway cost. And that's the downside. The other downside is there's a convergence of a lot of very difficult technologies going on right now. Custom systems have trouble with the IoT connectivity to the automation layer. And they are running into walls in that area. And then as the what I see also is Russian say I see it I've been told by manufacturers who chose to say we're not going to keep going this custom route. The big thing you said is expectations are so high now. Only 10 years ago, an internal group that was really sharp could stay ahead of their own companies requests for we need an update to the MLS system, we need an update needs to be able to do this, they could stay ahead of it. The expectations now as to what digitization is, is outstripping the ability of even these large groups to stay ahead. And so I think that's the risk Scott is that they're going to hit the point where they hit an asymptote beyond which they can't go because they're just it is getting too sophisticated. An issue to run it to digitize an entire operation. Yeah,

24:47

I like that you're absolutely spot on and the speed at which digitization for data, whatever you want to call it is absolutely lightning and I don't see how outside companies like yours And others, that that manufacturers can keep up with it. But I think the risk is, if you're not in the game, if you're if you're a manufacturer, and you're not in the game and thinking about this and trying to figure out how to create resiliency in your business and thinking about this, you're going to be left behind because of that speed. Because if you're not in it, boom, you're already way behind in the curve. That to me is the risk.

25:29

Absolutely agree. And I hate to say this, because it sounds dramatic, but I think those that don't get their, their mind and their Corporation culturally wrapped around digitization soon are going to be relegated to commodity manufacturing. Because that will be the only thing that their factory infrastructure will be able to handle at any efficiency. And that's, that's unfortunate.

25:54

That I have to ask a question commodity manufacturer, what

25:56

do you mean, where you're building a high volume static products? You know, where your margins aren't dying, right? And frankly, where the barrier to entry to doing it is non existent. So it's, you know, that's not where anyone wants to, they don't know.

26:10

And that's, that's pretty common within any business. You don't want to be commoditized you want to be able to and I think your your approach is absolutely spiffy. I love it. I love what you're talking about. I love the future, quite frankly. I do. So it's just me. Alright. How do people get ahold of you, Jason? Are you saying, hey, Jason speak in my language? How do I get it?

26:33

Well, certainly, directly from our website, www.AIScorp.com is one way as you mentioned, LinkedIn, I certainly have a presence there. And then ages software, you can find us on the web and certainly get in touch with me and i got

26:48

i hope came through a mess. I

26:50

love as you do. God, I love talking about this. It is really, it is really fun and engaging with the companies that are that are, you know, really on this journey and say we've got to transform the way we manufacture. We love being part of it.

27:07

I'm all giggly inside. I like to maybe it's my pre workout. It's all giggly inside, but I'm giggling inside right now.

27:14

But the I do love though that I have to admit spiffy. That's the first time that has been said in reference to our attack in our in our market. So thank you.

27:25

I think if

27:27

you can run with it, I'll send you a an invoice on on the term spiffy again or not. All right. That's Jason, Sparrow, CEO of ages, you were absolutely spectacular. Thank you for being on the industrial talk podcast. Now you're telling yourself, Scott, I want to make sure that I get in the contact information, right? Fear not. It will be out on industrial talk.com. And we will wrap it up on the other side. Thank you very much for joining. Stay tuned. You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network. Bob, big hearty thank you to Jason spare for being on the industrial talk podcast and dropping some chest incredible solutions. For the wonderful listeners of industrial park, go out and check out his stack card out on LinkedIn. That's Jason Spera that SP e Ra. And then you can bounce to ages you could go anywhere from that particular location. Go to LinkedIn reach out, you will not be disappointed. All right, again, we've got two events that are got to be put on your calendar ones in Barcelona, October 5 through the seventh industrial internet consortium affair Barcelona put on an incredible, incredible show. The next one is the manufacturing and technology show. This is November 9, through the 11th. Cleveland Ohio is the location. Let's get our lives back in order. All right. You are the dream maker. You are the miracle workers. You create hope because you are in industry. People Be brave dare greatly, as I always say hang out with people who are bold, brave and daring greatly change the world. We're going to have another incredible interview right around the corner. So stay tuned.

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In this week's Industrial Talk Podcast we're talking to Matt Mong, Vice President of Market Innovation with Adeaca about “The Power Behind Project Business Automation”. Get the answers to your “Project Business Automation” questions along with Matt's unique insight on the “How” on this Industrial Talk interview!

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Tue, 5/18 2:01PM • 27:26

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

project, business, Adeaca, matt, industrial, company, happening, pba, talk, manufacturing, silos, listeners, system, people, podcast, innovation, champion, mindset, real, standardized

00:04

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's go. Alright, welcome to industrial talk. My name is Scott MacKenzie. And thank you very much for joining me. Number one. It does every related podcast in the universe. There, this is a no legacy thinking zone. You each and every day you industry hero come out and say why not? What if you're solving problems, you are bold, you are brave, you dare greatly. You're, you're changing the lives, you're just constantly disrupting in a positive way. You're changing lives and communities. That's why we celebrate you on this podcast. in the hot seat, Matt Mong, he is vice president market innovation with a company called Adeaca, Adeaca and boy, I'll tell you, man, we're gonna have a great, great conversation. And I think it's a topic that is really, I think it's happening now. And we're talking about project business automation, we got a lot to cover, let's get cracking.

01:24

Yeah, you know, what's so great about this world we live in right now is the fact that people once again, innovators, innovation is pushing the envelope, providing solutions that make our lives better, make our products better. And just bottom line, create a resilient business. And it's based off of success. And that's what Adeaca provides. That's what Matt Mong begins to talk about in this particular In short, it is, well, it's 20 minutes, like we always do, but nonetheless, great conversation, you're going to dig it. Alright. Now, again, I'm going to be talking about a couple of events. So get out your calorie, it's going to be at an industrial talk, don't worry about it. This is October 5 through the seventh 2021. right around the corner, let's get back to normal. This is IoT solutions World Congress, it is in Barcelona, and they will be focusing on IoT AI, 5g, digital twin robotics, boom, quantum computing. That's pretty cool stuff. And it is happening this year, thank goodness, Hope it opens up and all that good stuff. And hopefully, I'll be broadcasting from that location as well and highlighting all of the incredible individuals that are changing the world each and every day. Second, the second event that you need to put on your calendar is the manufacturing and technology show. This is in Cleveland, Ohio, this is November 9, through the 11th. And if you've never been to Cleveland, we put that on your bucket list, because that is a great town with great people who are just

03:01

they love that area. And it is beautiful, no doubt about it. And this event is

03:08

going to be just absolutely spectacular. And it's going to be in a great venue. So put that down. That is the manufacturing and technology show November ninth through the 11th put it down, it'll be out there on industrial talk.com. So if you're not, you don't have to worry about missing out. Now. We're going to be doing a lot of things. You know that industrial talk is about education, collaboration, and innovation in the industrial world. And I believe that that will be changing lives and communities. Big time, we can do it. And fortunately for me, fortunately for industrial talk, we have the opportunity to talk to the very best and we're going to be cranking out a lot of great programs. We're going to be talking about cybersecurity and why that is important. big topic, right? In utility transformation. Another great topic that utilities got to get on on the train the digital transformation train, it's leaving the station. So anyway, there's a lot of great stuff that's going to be happening at industrial talk. So just bear with me because we're doing a redesign of our homepage. I call it industrial talk two dot O. Very important. All right, let's get on with the Doug gun interview. Matt, Mong M,O, N, G. A, D, E, A, C, A is the company. He is the Vice President, as well, what makes sure vice president he had he had a change market innovation. I didn't mean to screw that up. But anyway, that's Matt mark. Great, great conversation. Enjoy. Matt, welcome to the industrial talk Podcast. I am so honored that you have found time in your busy schedule to talk to our wonderful listeners of this incredible and I'm not overselling it. Incredible podcast. How you doing there, Matt? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me, Scott. Excellent.

05:00

Excellent, excellent. So let's level set a little bit for the listeners out there, give us a little 411 on who Matt is. Yeah, so my background is mainly mainly in marketing communications. And I've been VP of Marketing for several

05:16

startups and small companies looking to grow. And my most recent position here at Adeaca is, is to do the same thing, but going about it a little bit differently. creating our own sort of category for what we're doing. It's, it's a really innovative company, cuz you're gonna be the category King on that particular whatever that category is.

05:43

Yeah, so the, the that category is project business automation.

05:48

Yeah, I love it. And listeners, it's Adeaca, that's A D, E, A, CA. And it's sounded out like Adeaca. So make a note of that. But we're gonna have all of that AP industrial talk calm, so don't worry about it, don't sweat the small stuff. So we're going to talk a little bit about project bid business automation, give us a little background on what that is. So

06:16

first, project business automation is about addressing the needs of project based companies in a single business system.

06:26

So it, what it does is it brings all the project processes inside one business system, which is the DRP, and brings it all together. So it's seamless, and in real time. So that's essentially what it does. And it's for any company that really, you know, visions themselves as a project based company. So it could be, you know, different types of manufacturing engineer to order manufacturing, project manufacturing contractors, also the construction engineering companies, even professional services, a lot of different project based companies are out there. That's what project business automation is for. What is the problem that you're trying to solve with this solution? Yeah, so these project based companies have been operating the same way for Adeaca, which is, they take care of the business system in one area over here. And that may have, you know, their accounting, and, you know, their reporting. And if their manufacturing does have some MRP, maybe supply chain, shop for control, but then all their projects are outside of that. So the project management, their project, scheduling, estimating, resource management, analytics, all stuff to do with projects is outside of that, and they don't talk. And so what ends up happening is, they start using basically tons and tons of spreadsheets to you know, manage their projects, import and export data, try and consolidate it all and figure out what's going on, as you know, projects progress. And

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this is the main reason why, you know, projects are behind schedule over budget. And so we're trying to address that by bringing all this project stuff into the business system. So that all works together. And you know, as a project based company, projects, drive your drive your business, so they should be at the core of your business system as well. So projects drive your your manufacturing project, strive, your construction projects, your supply chain, your MRP, your your accounting, everything is driven by the project. And so if you don't have that connected in one system, it's a nightmare. And then that's what these people are, these people are dealing with, you know, the sad part about it, they're mad is that you brought it up, he said, hey, these have been going on for Adeaca. And and that pain has always been there for Adeaca. And everybody has talked about the fact that, hey, I'm having challenges here and there. And I'm and and but nobody and I don't understand why I don't understand why that there has not been more action in an attempt to be able to consolidate and put this all under one umbrella to grade. I don't have greater visibility in what's taking place in your project. I it just makes it makes complete sense. Why Why? Why are Why are they reluctant to do so? What What is going on? Why it just seems like it's a no brainer. The pain is extensive? Well, yes. So yeah, it's interesting. I think there's a couple of different reasons. The first is, it's just as the way we've always done it, you know, this is just, it's just a traditional

09:48

as far as the culture of what they're doing, and they built up the silos of all these different sort of fiefdoms. Yeah, that's true, right? You've got

10:00

You've got your, your, your project managers over here, and they have their tool and they love it. And they do it this way. And then you've got your engineers over here. And you've got your accountants over here and your controllers, and they do you know, their own things in their own way. And unfortunately, that's sort of how they've grown up. And then when they go out and look for a system, that's how they look, they look, okay, well, we need this and then we need this. And then they don't they don't look at it all together as one business. And so we're trying to get people to focus on your a project business, like and look at it holistically. It is, it is you, you've got a beginning and an end. And if you're a project business, right, many project business out there that make money off of projects and doing it right, and being on budget and on time and all of the metrics that are so important, you would think that that would be just the absolute top of the heap when it comes to doing things. Right. Right. It's not because of the human component, and all these little fiefdoms that happen, it doesn't happen. Yeah, what exactly what it has to it has to be a human, it has to be an education, it has to be a human type of thing. To move that ball forward, it's like, that's it, we're done, we're going to go down this road, whether we like it or not, and everybody's going to participate. Is that right? Absolutely. I mean, the, the customers that come to us, obviously, kind of have this realization, at some point, to some extent, where, okay, this just isn't working any longer. Like they they've optimized these little silos as much as possible. But nothing more is happening, they get these little incremental, you know, productivity gains, maybe here and there, point 2%. And it's just not, it's not affected to the business overall. So it's about educating people on, let's look at the whole thing, and then bring it all together. And that's really going to give you that next, you know, order of magnitude improvement, really the technologies, the technology it is, and it always gets down to people. So this is great, this is wonderful. You've spoken to me, my heart is full of opportunities and joy. Tell us, what do we need to do? What are these actionable points? Let's say we want to begin this journey? What is it? Well, I think first you need to,

12:26

somebody needs to be the champion in the organization, whether that's, you know, the continuous improvement person, VP of, you know, the CIO or the CFO, likely, it needs to needs to look at this and look at as, okay, we need to, we need to make a change.

12:44

Because it's gonna take a lot of education, and in getting people on board with, with the change, because you know, a lot, they're just used to it. So and they have to look at it from a different perspective. Like, we got a lot of customers who come to us, and, you know, say the, you know, the, the CIO, or CFO is like, okay, we're gonna do this, but then you got, you know, even you know, you have people that are unwilling like or, you know, skeptical, you know, on the lower rungs, and they're like, well, we use this app, and I don't know if this is going to do what we want it to do. And then three months later, they're like, Oh, I get it. Like, it's about the whole company. And we're just, you know, everybody's able to see what's going on in real time. Now, I get it. So it's it, it is an education thing. So it's, it's sort of that mindset of, we're a project business, we need to think like a project business, and what does that mean? Okay, well, then we should look for a project is this system. Right? So that is, that's how people need to think. So just for clarification, how do I need to think like a project business? What is that? What does that look like? I know, it's not what I'm dealing with today. Whereas pay pay pay pay pay? This is okay. And it's like crazy and nutty. That's not a project mindset. What is that? Yeah, so it's really about

14:03

the center, like bringing projects to the center, a lot of companies see themselves, as you know, I'm an engineering company, or I'm a construction company, or I'm a, you know, a manufacturer. First, they see that first, and then they think, but you know, we do it as projects. So we need we do need some project stuff over here. So they and that's how project management applications have typically grown up, there's, you know, they've usually been used for, you know, internal projects where, you know, it's just,

14:32

you know, it's something you might you got some projects doing, you're trying to improve the business, and it's internal. And it's, it's sort of separate from net, the bottom line, really, but when you're a project based company, it is the bottom line, the projects drive, the business, the revenue, the margin, it's all right there in the project. So the project has to become center, and the way that they think and they approach their business and they approach their systems and how they support their business.

15:00

They have to think projects first. And then oh, that's true. I'm a project based company, I'm a project business. And at the same time, how do what what do I deliver with my projects, that's, that's the difference. So I deliver a deliver an airplane, or I deliver a turbine engine or I deliver, you know, steel modular frames, you know, that, you know, it doesn't quite matter.

15:28

To a degree, what the actual product is, or the services, if you do it by projects, you need to think projects first. See, it's interesting, you're changing my mindset on that. And so I get it, I get it from the perspective, if I'm a black and Veatch or a key wit, or a Jacobs, and they make a lot of money doing projects, that's what they do, we've been on this, we're going to do this project, and we're going to, you know, build this water treatment facility got it, there's a beginning, there's a middle, there's an end. And that end is a delivery date. and everything in between is the budget and executing, got it, I can put my arms around that type of a business as a project business. But I think what you're sharing with the listeners and myself is that even a manufacturer that's manufacturing, plastic pieces, whatever it might be internal to that business, our projects,

16:25

I might, I might have a project to optimize that line, I might have a project to do whatever. And and from that perspective,

16:35

I shift my mind from manufacturing to a project and therefore, that drives that optimizes, because I have a project mindset, even in those environments. Is that correct? Yeah, it can be used that way? Absolutely. Because you know, that, and this is sort of been happening for a while now in the industry that, you know, every everything's becoming project fat, you know, projectized, you know, so yeah, you know, people are trying to make that shift, I just think, you know, the project based companies that were where they are delivering through projects, those are the, those are the key people that need to think this way, they need to make that shift in mindset. And then the other other companies who, you know, they may not necessarily be project based, and how they deliver their products, but they can be if they, you know, think about it the right way. So when we you started talking about these silos, which I understand it, and we've all experienced, I know, listeners out there, you experienced, you're living it today, by the way. And one of the things that I think is a driver, is how do you create a unified process map to make sure everybody knows where they're at, and drive the process with drive the system? So there's that you have to have an incredible conversation around that. And everybody's got to shake their heads and say, Yep, that's the process now. Right, that's how we do it now. You know, and that's one of the great things about it is to you systemize, the process, you know, and around that the best practices of your company. And so it is standardized, you know, you can, you know, and that's part of what, you know, the AARP gives you, and it gives other companies in different industries, like, you know, retailers or distributors, distributors, or those high repetitive, you know, volume manufacturers, everything's in one system, and everything talks to one another. And it's all standardized. And that's what gives them huge amounts of efficiency and productivity. And that is what we're trying to do for project business. So you bring your projects inside and into a standardized system. Now you can actually, you gain a lot more control over the process. And but you also give it your you're maximizing productivity through that process, and that standardization. Alright, so what I hear is that I've got to have,

19:03

I've got to have the right individual in place to be able to be that champion, I'm going to have to go through the process, and agree that we're going to take these fiefdoms, these, these silos and begin to bring them together and we're going to be a project centric, focused business. Right now, that's a lot of pain. That's a lot of change. That's a lot of frustration and pushback and all of that stuff. That's why that champions there, you better have better have a strong shoulders, and then

19:41

I'm going through this pain, what's the benefit? What am I going to see? I'm already dealing with it I'm already losing money here. And it's it's it's the devil I know. Right? So there's, there's a lot of there's a lot of different ways to measure ROI on something like this. So I'll go through

20:00

Uh, sort of the two. One is obviously the hard costs. So for example, if you have, if you're using 10, I mean, we've had customers that come to us, and they're using 13, different systems, you know, different applications to do different things, resource management, project management, spreadsheets, scheduling, product lifecycle management, all that stuff, right, and they got all these different systems, well, if you can eliminate 13 different systems and bring it down to one, like that, already, is just those hard costs in in the licensing, but also, the main maintenance of all those systems is is dramatic, as far as cost savings. Now, that's, that's one. But the real big benefit, I think that's even harder to measure is is the

20:47

is the productivity, the visibility into what's going on the real time connections in your business that just speeds everything up, and makes it and increases quality of your processes and your delivery. So all that getting into the one system that does that. So for example, I had a customer, we had a customer come to us, and they didn't know they, they would do very long engagements with their customers probably three to five years on average. And they wouldn't know if they made money on that project. Till 90 days after it was totally complete. And

21:29

and it's just, it's, it's kind of amazing.

21:33

can operate a business like that, right? So now, you know with with the Adeaca PBA. It's real time they know exactly where they're where their project stands as far as profitability, revenue, everything at all times. And so now they know, you know, what they need to do how to make adjustments to make sure that they're going to make money on that project. I would imagine that this creates a business that has greater resiliency greater, given the fact that we had the pandemic, a lot of people, we're not in a good position. Now, I would imagine that there has to be conversation of business resiliency. And this to me speaks to resiliency. Now, with that said, I see the value proposition, I understand the the need to transform that business and have that conversation. Can I want to do it incrementally? Or is it a big bang?

22:28

It depends. Yeah, it can, it can be incrementally depending on where you're at. So for example, we work off the Microsoft MVP platform. So a lot of times they'll implement

22:43

us with with the platform at the same time. And that's that's a big job right there. But then it's really the the adoption that could be incremental. Yeah. Right. So yes, you've got, you know, like we talked about, you got these different silos, and you can't just get everybody use it now. Like, you need to focus on one, maybe bring them over, and then focus on the other one, bring them over it, there is a whole change management process that needs to happen like that. And, you know, it's it's, uh, yeah, I love that. Yeah. Because you want to minimize that, that frustration. You want adoption, you want to be able to bet Yeah, that's great. Get victories? You know, all of that good stuff. What are the roadblocks?

23:25

I think

23:27

there's, there's a couple. One is when they go and look for these typical, these project based companies, when they go and look for any RP or business system, they actually aren't looking for, you know, what project business automation they're looking for. They're looking for accounting, right? They're looking for accounting, some expense reporting, maybe some timesheets, that type of thing. They aren't. So the first challenge is to the roadblock is to open up the scope of what you're looking for. Because it's, you know, there is better a better way to do things out there. So you have to open up that scope, what you're looking for. And then the next challenge is just like I think we talked about earlier, getting that champion and getting getting everybody on board getting that buy in from the you know, from the executive level. Yeah. You know, that's, that's a common tale. With any,

24:22

as we're talking projects, it's a common tale with all projects, it seems like you better have the right champion in place to really push that, that project forward. Alright, let's, let's talk about how we get a hold of Matt, you might be speaking, something that's touched somebody's mind and heart and says, Yeah, I got to get a hold of Matt, how do we get ahold of you? Right, so just Adeaca.com, right, so just go to Adeaca.com. And we have lots of information, lots of documents you can do you can download as well. We have the project business automation blueprint, which sort of defines what we've been talking about.

25:00

gives you a little bit more in depth view of what PBA really is and what it can do for your company.

25:07

And then, you know, just reach out to us, we'll engage with you.

25:12

at any level, I mean, even if you're just looking for some information, you know, we're not here. We're here to educate, is what we're trying to do. That's really what we're trying to do. That's a beauty. All right, Matt, thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast and sharing this insights into project business automation, cool stuff, my friend. Thank you very much, Scott. Go to Adeaca.

25:38

Alright, listeners, we're gonna wrap it up on the side, we're going to, I want to make sure that we've get the link to the PBA blueprint, that is a opportunity for you listeners out there to sort of route around to look at that particular thing. And also the contact information for Matt, and all of the social. That don't come to me and say, I can't get a hold of Matt, because I'm gonna have it all out on the industrial talk.com. site. Again, thanks, Matt.

26:05

Thank you, Scott. All right, listeners. Don't go away. We'll wrap it up on the other side. You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.

26:17

All right. Thank you very much, Matt, for coming on the industrial talk podcast. I absolutely love the conversation, great innovation, great solution for companies that are really project centric. Right? It's a must. Let's remove all the chaos that can exist within projects because it's happening. It's been happening. There's a solution, Adeaca. Alright, reminder.

26:41

Put this on your calendar October 5 through the seventh. This is IoT solutions World Congress, you got plenty of time to put it on the calendar right now. We're going to be talking all things IoT, Ai, 5g and everything in between highlighting the best of the best at that particular conference. Let's get back to normal. And the second one, the manufacturing and technology show.

27:02

That is November 9, to the 11th. beautiful town of Cleveland wonderful people wonderful venue. Alright, you've got them down, make it happen. Let's get back to normal, the sooner we can. Be bold, be brave, daring, greatly hanging out with people who are bold, brave, daring greatly. You will change the world industry changes the world. Thank you. We're gonna have another great conversation right around the corner.

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In this week's Industrial Talk Podcast we're talking to Ron Gusek, President at Liberty Oilfield Services about “Leveraging Technology and Innovation to Reduce the Cost of Energy and Minimizing Environmental Impact”. Get the answers to your “Oil and Gas Innovation” questions along with Ron's unique insight on the “How” on this Industrial Talk interview!

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

oil, people, gas, ron, industrial, oilfield services, world, drill, industry, technology, liberty, north america, energy, produce, important, alberta, emissions, impact, innovation, big

00:04

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots,

00:21

and let's go. Alright, welcome

00:22

to the industrial talk podcast, the number one industrial related podcast in the universe. I'm not overselling that I don't think I am. Thank you very much for joining. We celebrate you industry heroes all around the world because you are bold, you are brave. You dare greatly you solve problems, you make people's lives better, and you're changing the world. I don't think there's anything else better to celebrate than you. Thank you very much for what you do. And joining the industrial talk podcast. All right. in the hot seat, we got a gentleman by the name of Ron Gusek, President of Liberty Oilfield Services, we'll be talking a little bit about fracking 101 pretty cool topic, as well as technology, the advancements of technology and how it just makes the world a better place. Gosh, you guys are great. All right,

01:17

let's get cracking.

01:20

Ron,

01:22

go out to a stat card, big time stat card, you'll say Wow, he's uh, he's got some skills, I've got some mad street credit, as well as he's a super nice guy. As is a lot of people within industry, super nice people. I don't know, it's, I'm living the dream, I'm living the dream. Before we get in the interview, let's just talk a little bit about business. We have a new, well, I can't say we're in the process. Industrial talk 2.0. And, and what we're doing there is we're just sort of redesigning, we have the podcast, we have videos, we have training, we have everything. And now we want to be able to begin pursuing and having greater educational opportunities for industrial professionals, greater and easier collaboration opportunities with industry professionals, like for example, if you want to get involved, let's just say you want to reach out to Ron here, you can you can see what he's doing, what his team's doing at Liberty, oilfield services, and so on and so forth, and be able to create these great opportunities to be able because I'll tell you right now, Ron, others are really into this whole education, collaboration, and innovation. I think that's, that's where we have to be. That's where we're going. And that's what's industrial talk to dot o is we want masterminds, we want to solve problems, more problems using and connecting with the individuals that make things happen, which is everybody, and then be able to put it together because I think me and I just got done talking with Intel, that the same thing exists, we we just don't have pre pandemic. Yeah, maybe we have the solutions during this pandemic, during this next normal during this new normal, whatever it might be. I think what we're looking at is a necessity and people's willingness to collaborate and solve problems. Because that's really where it is. And I think that more and more people are just doing that. And that's what this is all about. I'm just telling you right now. That's what this is all about. All right. That's industrial talk. 2.0 Be on the lookout for that. All right, another thing?

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Not,

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there's not I'm gonna hold off on that. Let's talk a little bit around. Ron gooseneck. All right, Liberty oilfield. He's been there for about seven years little over. He's got oil and gas pedigree like nobody's business, and just all around great guy, Canadian, just like my parents. So he is a nice guy. But we're talking about fracking 101. And I think that it's really interesting for us to have that realization that energy is very important, especially today. And companies like companies like liberty. They're doing everything they can to deliver the energy to deliver the products at the lowest possible price. And and do it in such a way that it minimizes the impact to communities in the society. They have a really beautiful purpose. And then you can tell man a they've got that desire to do it and do it right. Gosh, Liberty oilfield services.

04:38

Alright,

04:38

let's get on with the interview. Ron Gusek is in the hot seat. He spells his last name g USEK. Reach out but you know, it'll all be out on industrial talk.com everything that you need to know to be able to connect. Alright, enjoy the interview. Ron. Wow. Welcome to the industrial talk podcast absolute honor Howard. Are you doing today?

05:00

Very well. Thanks, Scott. Excited to be here with you. So thanks very much for having no idea

05:05

how excited I was looking forward to this interview. I, of course, I was looking on my, my calendar and I'm going all right Ron's right around the corner right there. And I, I might as well just sort of sit here. Just be excited about this conversation. All right, listeners, we're gonna be talking a little bit about what Liberty frac does, you can imagine in their name. Yep. They're in the oil and gas industry. And they definitely help a lot of companies do a lot of great things. And we're gonna go into that particular conversation. But before we do that, Ron, little 411, because your stat cards great out there, but little 411 on who you are.

05:40

All right. Ah, yeah, quick, quick history on me. I grew up in Canada, just outside of Edmonton, Alberta, and ended up going to engineering school I love taking apart cars and things like that. So mechanical engineering was, was in my, in my nature, my dad was a carpenter, pretty handy guy. And so I was hands on sort of person. And, and, and so engineering came pretty natural to me. I swore I'd never saw a store, I'd never work in the oil and gas industry. You know, I grew up in Alberta and a crazy time, and thought that was too volatile and industry for me. And so I started working in heating, ventilation and air conditioning figured everybody need that all their lives, that's a safe place to go to work, but our oil and gas in Alberta so it didn't take probably four years after I got out of school and I ended up in oil and gas have been in it ever since. So I'm I'm almost 25 years in the oil and gas industry now seeing a good chunk of the world as a result of it. But most of that based in Calgary, but packed up and moved down here to Denver in 2014. And been here with Liberty ever since.

06:42

That is amazing. That's it? I mean, it's it's hard. Yeah, you're in Alberta, it's hard to avoid that. Oil and Gas. It's, it's it's a big deal up there.

06:53

It is a big deal. 30% of the GDP or something like that.

06:58

Yeah, it's a big deal. Yeah, it's hard to avoid, and it's but but being in the business for 25 years, you've seen a lot of a lot of changes a lot of technology, a lot of advancements, and and from my perspective, all pretty benefit, you're not sitting out there trying to say, I'm going to make it as as inefficient as I possibly know you guys are always pursuing that technology, the efficiencies and being able to achieve that as much as you possibly can. Now, for the listeners out there, and for me, too, because I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed give us a little tracking 101. And what Liberty frac does just just give us a little basis, and then we'll just sort of springboard from there.

07:38

Alright, sounds good, a little basics on exactly what we do. So, you know, today, when we drill a well, it's something called a horizontal well, so we're going to drill down maybe 7000 8000 10,000 feet into the ground vertically. And then we're going to turn that well horizontally, and we're going to drill out a mile or two or three inside the rock that we are interested in. And then the problem is the rock that we're drilling into the natural pore spaces in the holes for the molecules to flow through are so small that oil and gas wouldn't naturally flow out to the hole to the well that we just put in. And so it needs a little help. And so we do something called hydraulic fracturing, which is creating cracks in that rock radiating outwards from that wellbore that we drill. And that provides a better pathway for oil and gas to get to the surface, I kind of liken it to creating a city. So you know, if everybody wants to get downtown, you know, we have major freeways on which all the cars can get from their little neighborhoods, then you get out onto a big freeway and then ultimately end up in the place you need to get to fracking is just like that we put, you know, we put a big wellbore down there, which is the major freeway, and then we create all these arteries into it, which are the hydraulic fractures. And that gives those little molecules a path to get to serve where we can use them.

08:58

So the question I have somebody had to come up with this thing, this fracking solution, how long has it really been around?

09:07

It's been around a long time. Well, more than 50 years, we started fracking in North America back in the 1940s or 1950s. It looked a lot different back then, of course, but but fundamentally the exact same idea that we do today, we just do it at a different scale.

09:24

See, I never knew that. The way I sort of look at it, it's like, hey, this came out it's relatively new and they're doing this and and but but it's it's a it's a technology that's been

09:37

Jeez.

09:39

Yeah, that's a long time. It

09:41

It's Yeah, you know, it's evolved for sure we we do it at a different scale. Today, we do a lot more of it. The reservoirs we work in require more stimulation, more fracking to to produce oil or gas but, but still exactly the same principle that we started decades and decades ago.

10:00

So in this particular case, the benefits of fracking are obvious you can get greater yield from a specific location. And, you know, it's I guess, and correct me, Ron, if it's like low hanging fruit, I can pick it, but maybe there's some fruit that's a little higher up, and that tree can yield more from that that analogy, which is, I admit very weak, however, it is for me and the listeners anyway. From from a yield perspective, what what, what can we see from an existing location greater yield? What are we talking about?

10:41

Well, I would guess that most of the wells we drilled today, if you didn't frack them, they wouldn't produce a drop of oil or gas, you would get almost nothing out of them. And so, hydraulic fracturing means the difference between a well that does nothing and and a well, that will produce hundreds of 1000s of barrels of oil, or or millions and millions of cubic feet of gas over its lifetime. That wasn't true. Historically, it used to be you could drill a well, and it would flow on its own, and it would flow that way for years and years and years. But today, the reservoirs we work in, that's not the case, they they require stimulation to produce at any economic level.

11:17

Amazing. And, and you get to a point, and once again, I would imagine, a driver is a cost per barrel, and the solution needs to sort of be within that economic benefit. If it's outside of it, then it makes no sense. But if it's within that, so you're constantly driving, to the point of trying to make it more efficient, better cost effective.

11:41

Yeah, I mean, of course, oil, oil and gas are commodities. And so they are driven by a supply demand curve, to to at least some extent, and so you know, there's a, there's a price out there that we can get for a barrel of oil. And ultimately, you know, if a company is going to be a success, they have to find a way to produce a barrel of oil, for less money than they are able to sell it for same is true of any business, and ours looks no different than that. Now, of course, you know, the great thing about having low oil and gas prices is that is that everybody benefits from that, you know, we all, we all consume hydrocarbons in some way, shape, or form that might be directly in the form of your furnace, or hot water tank or something like that, that might be a little less directly in the form of gasoline in your car. But we all consume those less expensively, we can ultimately find a way to produce a barrel of oil or a molecule of gas, less expensive energy is for humanity. And so, you know, we have to continue to be innovative and find ways to lower the cost of energy. And we also have to find ways to lower the impact of producing that. And

12:45

when you say impact, what do you mean by that?

12:48

Well, I think there's a lot of ways you could think about that certainly the the most talked about one is is the thoughts around impact co2 emissions in the climate. So that's a, that's a very, very big picture one. But you could also drill down to a much, much smaller level than that, you know, here in Colorado, the majority of the, or the core of the field that we work in is right up and down the front range of the Rockies here, which also happens to be where the vast majority of people are moving into Colorado. And so we find ourselves in a situation where we are going to be working in very, very close proximity to a place where somebody is living close to a backyard close to a park or a playground or a school or something like that. And so as you know, when we put that pad in place, and ultimately go out there to work through the exercise of drilling and completing those wells before they they produce, there's some impact to those folks. There's there's noise and some dust and some truck traffic. And and we recognize that as a as an inconvenience to the people who are nearby there. And so it's incumbent upon us, as industry to find ways to minimize that impact for the time that we are there. So we don't want to keep them up at night with loud engines, we don't want trucks coming and going at all hours of the night to the extent we can avoid that. We want to find ways to minimize the dust in the air so that they don't, they don't have their enjoyment of the outdoors taken away from them. So we continue to focus on solutions to try to get that local impact small as possible.

14:15

See, that's interesting. Because, you know, of course, your business wants to do that. Of course, you you want to minimize your impact, because the value of what you're doing is important because beyond the the natural gas component and beyond the the obvious one gasoline, petrochemicals I mean, it's a it's an everything. I mean look, it's everywhere, right? And without it I mean you're just like my speakers. I guarantee you right? But it's we forget the the the massive impact, but then you've got this desire within let's say Liberty frac to To really minimize the local impact to the community and people, because that's important, too. And I'll set you live in you live in beautiful country. Do you do it, but but there's the resource, and you're going to be challenged to do it in a way that is that makes sense. And you guys accomplish that. That's how I look at it.

15:22

Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. You know, having worked in this industry, now I've grown to truly appreciate what what energy has done for humanity and what it will continue to do for, for the future. And so I think what we do is incredibly important, you, you made a lot of great points there. Oil and gas is everywhere around us, there are the obvious things like transportation, fuel, and whatnot, but plastic medicine, and the list go fertilizer for agriculture, the list goes on, and on and on. There are lots of great videos out there that show what life would look like without oil and gas. And it is a shadow of the, you know, the world that we enjoy today. So, you know, we we view what we do is incredibly important. And while a lot of people maybe don't recognize exactly how critical oil and gas is to their world, we know that but we take very seriously our responsibility to produce what we view as an as maybe the most needed industry in the world, to do so as responsibly as we possibly can. And yes, to your point, that means continued investment in technology and innovation to find new and better ways to do things.

16:28

So speaking of that, you touched upon it, it is a it's a bullet point on my some on my my sheet right here, Rod, is, let's talk about technology. You're constantly investing, you're constantly applying, you're constantly looking at the technology that can produce the results that you need to produce, minimize whatever it needs to be minimized, make it more efficient, and so that the cost points are constantly being what recent technologies. Can you sort of point to? That says, Yeah, this is this is this is cool.

17:05

Yeah, sure, I'll I'll point to a couple, there's the list is long. And we've got all kinds of ways with that. But let me go back to that, that whole idea of reducing impact in in a local area, you know, we take, we take a lot of equipment out of to a location to frack a well, if you if you ever have a chance to go visit a location, it is something to see, we will, we will drive out there, you know, your average car is maybe 200 250 300 horsepower in the engine, we will take 50,000 horsepower out to location. So you can appreciate that a lot of engines out there running at the same time. And they make a lot of noise. And so we work 24 hours a day, 365 days a year to produce energy and, and so you know, if we're out there making a lot of noise, and somebody's trying to sleep through the night door, that's not a good combination. And of course, that frustrates them. And so we worked hard to find a way to quiet down that equipment to make sure that even if we were running at two o'clock in the morning, if you were 500 feet away from where all of that equipment is running, you would not be able to hear it. And so a few years ago, we rolled out something called the quiet fleet. And it takes the hit for our equipment down at 500 feet to less than 65 decibels which is which is you know, just in common terms, quiet conversation. So if you're 500 feet from our frack location where all of those big compson engines are running, you can listen to the birds chirping now. And that was important for us, particularly here in Colorado, in the northeast, for example, they do a lot of work around residential areas there. And even in even in Texas, we find we're doing work closer to cities there as well. That's, that's one example. Another good example just might be evolution from an emissions standpoint. You know, we of course those are those are big diesel engines and and if you've driven around behind a diesel truck, you know that they they emit black smoke, sometimes particulates. And so we've continued to invest in the in the best engine technology to make sure that our emissions profile will follow. And so, you know, when we first started the company 10 years ago, that was those engines meta, a tier two emission specification, we now have moved to the latest and greatest which is year four, that's like a factor of an reduction in in those particulate emissions versus what they used to look like not that long ago. So the the emissions are getting cleaner. Our next step that we're working on right now is actually an electric, frankly, be driven by electric motors instead of by diesel motors. We'll have that out for tests this year, but ultimately commercialized I think next year, that'll be a dramatic step forward and what one of those locations sounds like, looks like and operates like so. Yeah, lots of lots of big investments. And I mean, these are these are not inexpensive things measured in millions and millions of dollars to deploy technology.

19:46

I'm I'm done to buy the quiet equipment that I know I've seen it I if I come to Colorado, I expect a trip to one of your locations but Sirius Sirius equipment. And I'm I'm amazed that you're able to achieve it's amazing the the innovation that can be applied that that equipment is that quiet. I mean, it just amazes me, I don't know how you do it.

20:15

I appreciate the creativity of our engineering team when they dream things up like that, you know, it took us a couple of years but but I kudos to our team for having the initiative to do that, for having the vision to think that that can be accomplished and ultimately getting there. And but I think that just speaks to the level of innovation that exists inside our industry, I never cease to be amazed by

20:37

itself funny when I have conversations with individuals within the oil and gas industry, the market.

20:43

It's

20:45

it's like, it's innovation on steroids. You have to constantly think of innovative ways of doing your work. And and it and yeah, you may be you guys put your money where your mouth is you make that investment you do it. It's one thing to chirp about it. It's another thing to make it happen. Kudos, I just think it's in that in that in that admissions. So that electric, the electric option. I mean, I've been having a lot of conversations about just electric everything, right? There's a lot of lot of horsepower. And and solutions there. I mean, it, it could be that that's amazing.

21:32

Maybe a big step forward, you know, not a small undertaking. Of course, if you looked at if you looked at the equivalent of that, just thinking about people, I guess one frack leads probably the equivalent power draw of a town of, I don't know, 15 or 20,000 people. So it's, it's a major undertaking to get that electrified, we probably don't take that power off the grid, at least not to start with maybe that's a long term goal, we probably have to generate that power nearby ourselves. But but it will still be a meaningful step forward from where we are today. I

22:02

just you just sort of glossed over that. That little statistic of the power requirement of a 20,000. You know, population community. I grew up in that town in California, and you just sort of roll about that and go, are you kidding me? That is stunning. That is that? How many Meg's would that be? I don't even know

22:29

about about something between 15 and 18 megawatts.

22:32

So you're looking at a GE type of deal. You're looking

22:35

at a on one side? Yeah, you could use a gas turbine, that's certainly a solution that you'll find out there for generating that kind of power, we're gonna take a little bit different approach that maybe the equivalent of a hybrid electric vehicle where you have natural gas engines, but we're going to use Recep engine, so kind of like a car engine, but run on natural gas, together with a battery pack. And and that will allow us to, to, to deliver a bit of a hybrid electricity approach and run the engines as little as possible. So we're aiming for as low in emissions footprint as possible with that solution.

23:12

I'm telling you, man, that's dead sexy.

23:14

I don't even know where to go. You smile everyday getting up to do this stuff.

23:19

Yeah, I see. I'm sitting

23:20

there. I'm just geeking out on everything. They're just saying, because my mind's going a gazillion miles per hour. But I love that. And you know what's interesting? Speaking for you, you're talking natural gas out of that. That last solution? Well, I mean, you guys, you guys know a little bit about natural gas. Right?

23:41

A little bit. Yeah.

23:44

Good, fit, good fit. Now, let's, let's sort of put on our future hat. Where do you see it going? I mean, there's a lot of a lot of activity going out there a lot of uncertainly. I mean, come on. I mean, I haven't. I think I went to the gas station. What, once in six months or something ridiculous. And so a lot of people are in that, that sort of, so that that consumption, where do you see it going? So future?

24:14

You're absolutely right. Last year, I can't remember what demand came off by at the low point, but it was pretty significant. Pretty meaningful dip in in demand for our products. It's come back. Not all the way of course. But it might be off three or 4%. Now from where it was before. But, you know, going into going into the whole downturn as a result of the pandemic, the world was consuming, Ah, look just a little north of 100 million barrels of oil a day. We're still up in the 90 million plus barrels of oil a day. And I'd be very surprised if we didn't get back up over 100 million barrels a day in the foreseeable future and and the story is not much different for gas you know, if you if we live a fantastic life here in North America, I mean, you look around and we are absolutely spoiled. In terms of the world that we enjoy, there are still a billion people in the world that lack basically any access to electricity. There's another billion people in the world who have intermittent access to electricity. The demand for energy is still growing dramatically. And while we are working our way through a transition to add different forms of electricity generation to our world, we are still some ways from being in a place where I think that displaces oil and gas, particularly for transportation, fuel and whatnot. I haven't seen the statistics for 2020 yet, but 2019 was a record year for total energy delivered by oil and gas in North America. And so and I'd be surprised if 2020 wasn't another record year in terms of percentage of total energy provided by oil and gas. It's, it's a massive number. And so it continues to grow for a while yet simply because we don't have an easy replacement for it. You know, battery technology has come a long ways. But it is still a long, long ways from being able to provide grid scale power to us for a meaningful period of time. And we're not in a place where batteries put a fixed issue that happened a couple of weeks, but we're not there yet. And so I see it continue to grow for some period of time, I'm kind of in the camp that we don't see Peak Oil and Gas demand out, you know, for another two decades, probably a decade and a half, for sure, well into the 2030s, maybe into the 2040s. And so for at least as long as I'm going to be working, we're going to be working hard to produce oil and gas as cost effectively and with as little impact. Awesome.

26:33

So yeah, that's that's passion, baby. That is what I do, man. So here's, here's the funny thing, one of the things that just sort of stuck, and we once again, and you brought it up, we take it for granted, we live here and in where we live, we have access to pretty much anything, we take it for granted, and will complain about something and, and and yet, there are billions of people who do not have that type of luxury. And we forget, we forget that there are large portions of the world's population that don't have access to it.

27:11

Yeah, that's it, you know, so we have that global focus, but But even here in North America, you know, you can look at a map of folks who still have to dedicate 10 plus percent of their household income to paying their energy bill. And so I think it's incumbent upon us to still continue to work here in North America to find ways to lower the cost of energy delivered into somebody's house. And so that's important to me out on the coasts, it's, it's the worst, you'll see significant portions of the population on the eastern West Coast, challenged by paying their energy bills, just given the cost of living in those areas. It's a little less prevalent through the middle of the country, but it is a it is a big issue for people to afford energy, even here in North America, despite how well off we are. That is an interesting segment and we're talking you know, I don't like it when I when summer hits Louisiana.

28:06

My my, you cannot live in Louisiana without an AC, you just can't just me, you can't. And if you think you can, well, your line, and and my, my, my bill is substantial. And, but when it goes down, when there's adjustment, whatever it might be, that's real value to the bottom line, that's real value to individuals and their and what they did, so that's important. You know, you're you're clicking on all cylinders wrong, just FYI.

28:36

Well, I, you know, we when when you when you work in an industry that just plays that bigger role in our worlds, you, the people here are passionate about it. And you know, I think having having worked in it as long as I do, and, you know, I I've come to gain an appreciation for exactly what oil and gas has done for us. And, and, you know, while we're, while we're not always the, you know, the most favorite thing to talk about. It's important and so, you know, for as long as I'm here in this industry, I'm going to do all I can to make sure we're doing the best we possibly can to to do what you do every day.

29:13

Awesome. All right, we're gonna have to wrap it up. Are you out there on LinkedIn?

29:19

I certainly am. Are you active? I'm, I'm pretty active. Yeah, I you know, I there's lots of great things to share out there. And social media is a wonderful avenue to get to people. So I do what I can to share what I think are valuable contributions to that

29:32

community. A unique guy, he's just a unique guy.

29:37

I've tried to tell my girls I'm an influencer, but they have a different definition of influencers.

29:46

Yeah, you influence me. We could just say, Hey, tell your girls I've been fluid Scott. about right. Yeah, no, you're not. Those influencers are influencers. They're they're amazing. All right. So we're gonna have everything just FYI you listeners out there. I love this conversation. I will keep on going. But we're gonna have everything out on industrial talk.com. And you need to get a hold of this gent and great topic. candidate. I truly enjoyed it. A lot of good stuff out there

30:25

as well, Scott, really a chance to get on here with

30:27

you. Yeah, you're dropping value bombs. It's so cool. All right, innovation is on the gas, oil and gas innovation, what they're doing the investments. They understand it. We need energy. Ron's right in the thick of it. All right, listeners, Ron Gusek, who is on it. Thank you, Ron, you all of a sudden need to be staying tuned, because we're gonna wrap it up on the other side. So thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast. We will be right back.

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31:06

All right. That's Ron, told Jim, great guy. Great purpose, great focus. All those people at Liberty Oilfield Services definitely served a purpose. And trying to deliver that energy as low as possible, as efficient as possible. leveraging technology and everything in between. Yep, that's team liberty. oilfield services reach out to

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SPEAKERS

Scott MacKenzie

00:04

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's go. Alright, welcome to the industrial talk podcast. My name is Scott MacKenzie, and thank you very much for joining this platform. This platform this podcast celebrates you, the women and men of industry. You are bold. You are braver. You dare greatly you changing the world and you're changing lives. Why not? Why not celebrate you because you deserve it. I'm a big fan of yours, FYI. So if anybody says, I don't have any fans, they're lying. Because you have one right here. Scott MacKenzie? industrial talk podcast. Okay, we're gonna be starting a new series. Now, this series is interesting. And we're gonna kick it off, and we'll get some more information. And in the hot seat, her name is Jennifer Gremmert. Right. And she is the executive director at energy outreach Colorado. We're speaking about the heart and helping people. How can you complain against that? Come on, let's get rockin. She's a firecracker. A lot of fun. Cool. As cool can be. That's who Jennifer is. But before we get going, I mentioned it briefly in the, you know, quickly. Now, this is interesting. So there's a, there's a desire on this part in a number of really great people who have a desire to sort of make sense of all this. So there's sensemaking, right? Of all of this COVID stuff, what do we do? Now, on this particular podcast, you've heard me hammer on and on and on, about the necessity to rebuild or survive, rebuild and prosper, right? What do we do? What are the strategies? How do we make sense of that 2020 is behind us. 2021 is right ahead of us. And we need strategies, we need people to be able to provide insights on what we can do to survive, rebuild and prosper. We have to you have to we have to make this happen. Because we're all about and and this is how it started talking about collaboration, right? collaborate, we just can't do it on ourselves collaborate, innovate, because we got to think differently. We've got to, I mean, we just have to, not just from a technology perspective, but just more into the how do we relate? How do we communicate? How do we make people succeed? How do we solve problems. And then, of course, the big one, for me, the huge one, for me, the biggest one of the bunch, is educate, and that's where sense making comes into play. We have been through a challenging year, some more than others. Some are tough. I mean, you get you get the various degrees. But the reality is, nobody's going to sit there and say, I was sort of a normal year, it wasn't right. And so myself, cap logistics, and others have come up with this program that we're putting, trying to put a meat on the bones as we speak, we're going to drive a flag in this, you know, in the ground, but it is a way of being able to create real, real masterminds that have real insights to solve real problems that you and others can truly execute, not just from, from a business, but all the way up into the government level and downward and, you know, an extend out, how do we help people succeed? How do we help people

04:01

survive? Right? What are the strategies and tactics in it, because I've been talking about collaboration, this is purely a collaborative effort. And Jennifer, here is the first one out of the gate. So this is how it rolls, we'll do podcasts, we will definitely start talking about all of the the details associated with what Jennifer does and others do. And then we start to collaborate and collect all that information. And then on January, put this on your calendar, January 28, we're going to be talking about the community side of this effort, right, and how we can help the community from the perspective of people who are truly and companies who are truly in the trenches, and helping people succeed. And then we're going to do that, not just from that we're going to do it from an academic point of view. We're going to do it from a business point of view. And we're going to do it from a government point of view. And we're going to create an incredible network and across All mastermind group that you can collaborate with, and, and everybody, everybody wins. And that's what we're trying to do. And we're using the platform such as industrial talk, podcasts, videos, all the media that we can possibly muster up to be able to get that message out and get you tactical solutions. That makes sense, because we're in them sensemaking business, how's that? I'm worn out. One little intro, and I'm worn out. All right, let's get on with the interview. Because she's wonderful. She's with an organization called energy outreach. Now, this is what's interesting about it. They help people and they start with, with their energy bills, and with their that are maybe challenged in some way, shape or form, they're able to sort of help keep that light on, keep the energy going, keep the natural gas paid, and be able to help them from from truly an overall health perspective. survive. And this isn't it. This isn't Colorado, but but pretty much every state has a similar organization. And I just I love this stuff. I love when people put their their thoughts into action. and her team at energy outreach, Colorado, puts it into action. And we need more people like Jennifer, you need to step up and we need to just do our part. There's a lot of people that need help. And there are a lot of great organizations and a lot of great people like Jennifer, that want to help. And that can provide an excellent avenue to make that happen. Right. Let's start talking about caring. Let's start talking about giving of your time and effort and not having or expecting anything in return. Because your heroes, you are industry heroes, and this platform is for you. So let's get on with the interview. Jennifer Gremmert. Now that's gr e m. Ma. e. RT, the organization is Energy Outreach Colorado. And she's a fireplug. So enjoy the interview. Jennifer, welcome to the industrial talk podcast. I'm telling you. I'm looking forward to this conversation. How are you doing?

07:12

I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.

07:14

All the way from Colorado. It's cold over there. Do you have you got snow?

07:20

Yeah, it was supposed to snow tonight. So is it really? Yes.

07:26

Love the snow? We don't get enough of that here. Well, we get none. In Louisiana. Maybe maybe the part of the top of the boot but not not here in old New Orleans area. Now. What it does, it's a national security issue. You know, it's one of those problems. So anyway, for the listeners out there, now we're gonna have a great conversation I and I am just jacked about it. Give us a little background, who you are, and why you're such an incredible professional, then we're gonna venture on into the interview itself.

07:53

Sure. So I'm Jennifer Bremmer, I'm the executive director of energy outreach Colorado. So we're a statewide nonprofit whose mission is to ensure that all Coloradans can afford home energy. And I've been fortunate to be with this organization for over 20 years, I've spent my entire career in the nonprofit sector focused on affordable energy, affordable housing, economic literacy, even did a little higher education. But I am a person who really enjoys fundraising, I enjoy re purpose funding to help those in need. I've made a made a career out of it.

08:34

So but how does somebody like you? Why, why? Why is this? Why did you get involved?

08:44

I think I grew up in a family that was all about, you know, economic equality and sort of knowing that there's a lot of people that have more than me, but so many more people that have left. And so when I kind of discovered the nonprofit sector, as a career opportunity, I kind of jumped on it. I have an Economics and Political science background. So I like that intersection of policy and, you know, money, map and, and distribution of resources. I discovered energy outreach Colorado in the mid 90s. I was the fourth employee hired. And this was when energy, you know, it's always been obviously a critical need, and basically, but it was a little simpler than it is now. Right? It was sort of the framework that we had of our energy sector was how it was designed 100 years ago. And in that transition, we've seen huge shifts in how energy is delivered and the importance of it. And so it's been really an exciting field to be in and to be able to help people access affordable, reliable energy. It's been a great joy.

09:54

It's a it's an interesting journey, to say the least because what I mean when you start talking about The necessity to provide it's the state of Colorado. It's not just it's the state. Okay. There, there's a community out there that needs help there needs assistance. And power is pretty important. I mean, I, I put it right there at the top of necessities within a family people's lives. How has you How have you seen it sort of change from when you started to where you are today? And where do you see it going?

10:33

But I think, you know, it's, we're in a post COVID conversation, right? So people are home, they understand what he and energy means to them. But they understand the health of the home and how that relates, I think we're also seeing, you know, climate change being a big conversation, you know, reduction in carbon. When we think about energy, we tend to think about, maybe it's gasoline in our cars, we don't tend to think about the natural gas or electricity coming into our homes. And so from that consumer perspective, you know, I think about energy all the time. Most people spend human fear, they just take for granted that they turn right at the beginning, do

11:17

I'm one of them, but it's like, we had a storm come through a power's out, have gone, what is going on here?

11:22

What have they not done? Exactly, I think of Louisiana and the impact of power, wise writing, you know, and I think this is something that we just have to, you know, balance of how energy comes to us how we use it, you know, the value that it has in our lives. And then as we look at sort of this transformation of energy, right, that we want to produce energy in different ways that we want to consume it in different ways that we're starting to have technology that allows us to control that usage differently than it used to. And I think we are continuing to understand what a vital resource it is, and what a highly nuanced conversation is, in terms of energy generation, how it comes into our home, is something that's evolving really, really rapidly again, when you think of the proposition of how energy is delivered, it's been sort of traditionally done, or over 100 years. And in the last, I would argue, 10 to 15 years, it's completely transforming.

12:23

It's being driven by a lot of innovation. I mean, there's a lot of innovation going on there now, but I'm gonna I'm gonna have to address the the elephant in the room. And that's COVID. Right? Yeah. A, you have a community and that community is in need. What are your biggest challenges, especially today, and the uncertainty of the future? What's your biggest needs?

12:43

So pre COVID, about one in four Colorado households qualify for our programs based on age. And what we're seeing post COVID is just more households that are underemployed or unemployed, that are just really struggling with resources, and also that, again, need for having energy in your home or home or in a residential usages. Right. So that affordability issue comes into play. You know, we've already seen some income inequality in this country that then gets exacerbated when you have a situation like this. And so we work really closely with, you know, our government partners, there's public funding that goes into both energy systems and energy efficiency. My organization fills in the gap for this problem vailable and then working with utility companies, to put people on payment arrangements to start moving talking about how we ensure people stay connected. And then how can we think about, you know, that intersection of energy, housing and health, really in terms of like looking at energy efficiency programs, and things that are going to make that home healthier while also reducing costs? So we're in a really interesting place right now, we've been developing programs over the last two years, we've got great partners across the state. But like you said, Colorado be, you know, kind of microcosm I work in, we have an urban corridor that has one set of issues. And we've been and regulated in vertically integrated utilities. We have eastern plains that are more of that Midwest, high plains that have smaller communities, rural electric cooperatives and municipal utilities that work with and then we have resort communities where we have high concentration of wealth, but the people that we work with, or that we serve, are traveling multiple counties to really be the essential workers in those communities, they have much higher rates of conflict. So we have to balance all of those interests as we look at this work and not sort of a one size fits all, but really integrate with what people need. And we're fortunate that we have strong partners.

14:54

Yeah. Do you see any? I mean, I know there's a Do you have a crystal ball type thing however, one of the challenges I mean, really, with your market here with this COVID, because, quite frankly, your services, your solutions are truly needed. We need to rebuild, we need to figure out solutions, and to help people, you know, survive and then rebuild, and so on, is vitally important. But what do you see probably that biggest issue that you've got to deal with, in your in your group?

15:32

Yeah, it's really meeting people where they are and what they need. So we do you have a holistic approach to this. So most people come to us in a crisis, they can't afford their energy bill, or they don't have access to heat. And so make sure that they, you know, get their furnace repaired or replace that we, you know, get them on a risk management program, you know, on a payment, a reason that we help pay that utility bill for them in their short term, then we really try to educate around, you know, conservation, what can they do to reduce the usage, what equipment can be replaced? And then we're looking at long term energy solutions that we do through a lot of regulatory and legislative work around energy policy. So what is the right design and community? How do people interact with their utility partner? How do we think about not only just individuals, but small business owners who are also really struggling in this? Yeah, you know, we're cut, we're trying to, basically, like, overall rates with what how we can deliver these, you know, innovative, and I think, really, you know, good programs to people to help reduce that burden. Because, again, we need a healthy workforce, you need people, you know, participation as much as possible. We also need healthy utility companies, there are cornerstones of a lot of our communities, and they're doing tremendous work, right. When you have a storm, you know, being able to be agile. But I think all of these in this transition, when you have any major transition like this, there's tensions. So I think that's where more education is around energy, in general, more conversation about it. It's not a black and white issue. There's a lot of nuances in this. I think innovation is exciting. And we're starting to figure out how we can get community solar gardens and get those subscriptions so that we can provide long term affordability for folks.

17:26

You said solar gardens,

17:28

correct? Oh, yeah. Gotcha, like a big solar array. So versus rooftop system, which may not be you know, I have a strong opinion about that, just because there's so much limited funding we have in this space, right, you know, thinking about where are the economies of scale, utility scale solar, solar gardens, there's all different terms. But I think, you know, as we look toward this transformation, again, there's ways are so much more affordable, etc. It's on par with the other source of energy. And so making sure that the families we represent paid into that system to subsidize it that they get access. And so we have to just kind of keeping sheep.

18:11

Here's the challenge I have, and and you in this short conversation, you've rattled off a ton of stuff. Yeah, you could do this, you could do this, you can do this, you can do this. But But let's, let's sort of narrow it down to let's say, three things that one can do. I mean, just right now. Sure, I can call you. I, I just, there's just and I don't have time, like, give me some Quick Hits here.

18:39

Well, I mean, in every community across this country, there are local organizations that are supporting vulnerable customers, you know, large organizations like Catholic Charities, the Salvation Army, those are groups that we work really closely with. But in every community, a lot of times there's a food bank, or a rental assistance program that also has introduced on top of it. So our local community partners are really, really good at finding out who those families are need. There's a lot of faith based institutions doing this. The challenge is every state does this a little bit differently. Right. There's federal programs that are that some are run by community action agencies, some are accounting. You know, I think, the there's a lie II Clearinghouse that sort of has a national view of this. You know, looking at all the different utility programs, it's kind of all over the place, because energy regulation and maintenance. But I can tell every, every state, there's an organization similar to ours, we're doing the kind of work we do. And I think, you know, look at what your utility company does when you donate bills. You know, help your neighbors right?

19:50

Right? I do like that now. That's all great. Okay. So I got a number that starts with the number or but surprised With power, if I don't have power, I'm having a hard time with enough. It's just like what? But anyway, let's say I can make that call and I can get that. So there's people out there and organizations, companies, whatever, are willing to help. Yes, you're still struggling?

20:14

Yeah, we have to look at what's happening with COVID, there's part of our population that's driving, they're working from home, nothing's changed, their expenses are down, we have more resources. And then we have a group of folks that are always going to be challenged because of the wages they have. They're maybe underemployed or working less hours, or they get sick and sick time. And so there's this balance that we're seeing. And so how can one group help support the other group? So there's a sort of a right, that there's a shared benefit of supporting these kinds of emergency assistance programs. And I think what we find is most of the families, I would say, over 75% of the families we serve, just need our help once or twice. If that one, I'm sort of immediate, something happened, right now, it's a lot of health challenges and job interruptions. But it could be a divorce, it could be something that just happens, all of a sudden, you don't have the income to make ends meet, you need a little bit of help. That's why we designed these programs. You know, for the other 25%, you're an older dog, maybe you're someone who's disabled as on income, and so your income doesn't change. So as other expenses, like you said, energy's top of the stack, because the bill that you pay first, but it's also interesting, because you pay for it after you write. So there's like a difference for that. And I think when we think about utilities, in general, what how broadband becomes so critical, how waters becomes open. And all these things are layering on top of each other. And so I think, you know, again, more awareness that we can have around affordability issues.

21:56

So okay, that's all great. So it's good. You're doing yeoman's work, it's fantastic. I love it. But there's got to be roadblocks, there's got to be challenges. It doesn't just, you know, wake up and go, Hey, check it out. Another check is in mail. Check it out. You know, what? I mean? What are the roadblocks?

22:16

I think, you know, funding's always a problem. I mean, I think that's, you know, regardless of what, you know, challenge you're trying to write and so what we try to do is use the best of the resources that we have, our funding comes from the taxpayers, utility, ratepayers, or donations. And so we take that very seriously and try to be as efficient as I think there's, you know, just a constant struggle around what's the best investment? And how do you, you know, make that I think the barriers that we have for the families we serve is, it's a lot of people, it's a very humbling experience to have to ask for help. In our sort of public assistance world, it's a lot of, you know, repeating yourself over and over tell your story. It's very humbling, it's hard to do. And I think what we're trying to figure out is how to better create systems and structures that can allow this assistance to flow in an easier way. And I think that's just something that we're always going to struggle with services,

23:21

and you're dealing with dignity. I mean, some people are probably having a hard time. And do you ever have to say, I'm sorry, we just because we just talked about funding? We can't help you. Do you say that? Or do you just say, yeah, we'll figure it out, we will figure it out.

23:40

We really try to figure it out. I think part of the challenge of the balanced public funding and private funding, is the public funding has a lot of caveats to it, you know, people have to do their due diligence, you know, in terms of distributing this funding, because that's the appropriate thing to do. The where we try to bring in flexible funding is to help ease that in situations, I'll give you an example. Let's say we have someone that has a really old furnace, and it dies. And they've been mandating it forever and ever. And we want to put in a high efficiency gas furnace, it's we have really affordable natural gas rates, do you think that's going to save them a lot of money, it's going to be better, but their electrical panel needs to be updated, or they don't have the right ventilation. So those are the things that in the past, a public firm may have to say, Oh, I'm sorry, we can't do this because we don't have the funding to bridge that difference. And that's where we really said, you know, we have so few opportunities to get into these homes. Let's help when we can. So how can you provide that flexible support, we're really starting to see tillys understand that health and safety aspect. You know, one other example is think of a child that has a chronic respiratory issue and they're constantly going back and forth to the hospital and we release them into a home that has You know, really poor indoor air quality, maybe really old carpeting that's holding on to a lot of dust and, you know, hair and things that are just exacerbating respiratory problems. What if we went in and made that home healthier? reduced that, you know, kind of impact on that household? Can we then track reduced health costs and improve, you know, quality of life and less school?

25:24

Work? I

25:25

mean, I think we have to really start making these connections more broadly. And, and I think that's just the nature of when you start to really experience this individually. You know, in Colorado, we had fire wildfires all summer, where they would open their windows at night to let fresh air in, and they could, you know, that all of a sudden changes the equation for people about what is you know, health and home? energy?

25:54

Yeah,

25:55

interesting conversation.

25:56

Yeah, that's a tough one you're absolutely spot on. And yet, yeah, there are so many little variables that you have to deal with. Are you always just sort of sitting there one day is like, man, I didn't think about I've been doing this for 20 years. I didn't think about that one.

26:10

Yes, it's constant. And I said it like the 30,000 foot level, right? I think big solutions big. And then my staff will come to me, and they're like, I'm in a building, and I can't fit the new furnace in the elevator to get to the boiler. And

26:28

I'm sorry, for laughing. That's funny. It's true. No, I

26:31

mean, we had a house where there was a tree growing through the house, and then you're like, Okay, well, what pot of money do I use to fix that? You know, working in rural communities that don't have the same inner connection. You know, we, we've done work on. And I was just telling somebody that's like, in southern Colorado, we still have a lot of families that use wood as their primary heating source. And so there's like an indoor air coffee component to that challenge, right. But there's a style aspect of it. And so we don't want to just replace it without thinking about customer choice. But if people you know, it's a bad it's always about, and I think we always try to think of it from the customer perspective and family, and how can we help them meet the needs that they have without, you know, changing?

27:22

And it's so funny, because when we start talking about energy, I I naturally gravitate toward power. Right. But it's it's also natural gas. It's a it's it's all components. propane. See? I just naturally it's like, Yeah, I got the power comes into that line. Yeah, yeah. But no, it's it's much, much grander than that. Now, once again, if pre via a pre COVID was one and four, do you have any ideas of what it's going to be in? Well, whatever you call this, this next normal ish, post, whatever?

28:00

No, I don't I mean, I think we're just trying to stay nimble. What we do know is our need is up about 40%, you know, from where it was last year, at the same time?

28:11

Oh, sorry.

28:12

Our agency partners are just seeing, you know, so much more need in terms of food assistance and rental assistance. And so again, civil money. You know, I think there's been a lot of great efforts, you know, at the federal level, and certainly at the state of Colorado, we just were awarded $5 million through a special session, the governor, and have initiated with our legislature and the legislature has been, you know, terribly supportive. But I think it's these are just drops in the bucket that are trying to get us through. And so there's, again, how we don't know exactly how long it will go. We know there's a lot of people struggling, I think we're trying to make sure that people that are kind of new to this situation may not have

28:56

Yeah, in the past, I would imagine this, like I would never know, I wouldn't know, I wouldn't even be like, dang, I can't pay my bills, then I wouldn't know where to go from there.

29:11

And what I want people to know is like, there's a lot of us working really hard to generate resources, so we can help you in that time. Yeah, I also think people need to reach out to their utility. Because those those companies have programs in place. They're, they're putting doing payment arrangements, they you know, have a lot of knowledge and really, they want to keep you as customers. it's in their best interest. And so we have to kind of work together this temporary area, and I think that's again for small businesses as

29:43

well. Yeah, we're gonna have to wrap this up. Now, let me ask you this, if I will, I would say I've got a lot of cash in my pocket and I want to give it to somebody and I want to give it to you. Where do I go?

29:54

You go to WWW dot energy outreach.org our website has all of our programs and then partners people can figure out where to access health. You know, for you as an individual, we also have programs and health like multifamily affordable housing or nonprofits and their efficiency, then you can connect to national partners that we have that do this work all across the country. Energy outreach.org

30:21

check that out. Man. I have nothing to add to that I have. I can't even poke holes in that strategy. I mean, it's easy, go to energy. outreach.org.

30:31

Easy.

30:33

And you can get pretty much all the information. I guarantee you worst case scenario, I would imagine there's a phone number and say, Hey, I got a question. I mean, what else can you ask for?

30:44

We have lots of places to put that funding and we can order them in any way you want

30:49

to do it, because we do this. And we do this. We can do this. We can. I mean, it's amazing. Kudos to you and your team. absolutely wonderful. And I think that you're going to be needed more than ever increase by 40%. It's like there's there's a neat 40% increase down here. Awesome. I love you. This is good stuff. I love what you guys do. You're awesome. All right, you listeners out there. Yeah, no, no, no, it's all on this side listeners out there. I want you to get involved. So we're going to wrap it up on the other side, do not go away. Because we will be right back. You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.

31:34

All right. Once again, thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast. How about that having heart, Jennifer Gremmert gr e m, m e r t is the name, the organization is energy, outreach, Colorado, go out to energy outreach.org get some information, you're not going to be disappointed. And people need your help. And I know that you guys are absolutely generous and kind, big hearted, just like Jennifer. All right. Again, January 28, is going to be the day that we're going to be sort of driving that flag in for this particular sort of mastermind group on how we will survive, rebuild and prosper. But with people who have a real vested interest in helping you and your company succeed, right. And they have insights, and we have to collaborate, we have to be innovative, we have to educate. And that's the real premise. So we have to make sense of all this. So that we understand what to do, where to go, and how we can definitely survive because we need you. It's it's that important. And these individuals, like Jennifer and others, are just willing to give up their time, their energy, their insights, their heart, to be able to help us in these very challenging times. All right. Everything that you can possibly imagine will be out at industrial talk Com. This particular podcast will have all those links. And then we're gonna continue to sort of pump on it. This was the first one out of the gate. Jennifer was kind enough to be able to say, Yes, I will do it. I see the vision. I understand it, and I want to be a part of it. Thank you, Jennifer. All right. Again, be bold, be brave, daring greatly. and hang out with people who are bold, brave and daring greatly, and you're going to change the world. And that's what you're all about. Because you're an industry and you do that. All right, thank you very much. And we're going to be back with another incredible podcast interview. Uh, shortly be safe.

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Live from IoT Solutions World Congress, IIC Voice Podcast interviews Fiona Daly, Sustainability and EFM Workforce Lead at NHS Improvement. In this episode, Fiona talks about the a 3-pronged approach to effectively deploy sustainability initiatives at the NHS. Get the answers to your “How” questions along with Fiona's unique insights on where it's all headed on this IIC Voice Podcast interview!

You can find out more about Fiona from this interview and the links below. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and a series on “Why You Need To Podcast” for Greater Success in 2020. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy!

FIONA DALY CONTACT INFORMATION:

Personal LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/fiona-daly-msc-ba86641a/

Company Website:  https://improvement.nhs.uk/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/nhs-improvement/

IIC Twitter:  https://twitter.com/IIConsortium

IIConsortium IIC Company Website: https://www.iiconsortium.org/

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On this episode of Industrial Talk Podcast, we continue our 3-part series with 2 of 3 on IoT and IIoT. In this episode, Helena Lisachuk, Director of Management Consulting and Global IoT Lead at Deloitte, talks about Women In IoT, and how to get engaged in this exciting, transformative and innovative technology. No matter where you are in life, the IoT technology is expanding and making a positive impacts into how we conduct business. In short, you need to be engaged! Learn more about Helena and her wonderful team at Deloitte on how to begin your IoT journey in this episode of the Industrial Talk Podcast. Find out more by the links below:

Company Website: https://www2.deloitte.com/global/en.html

Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helena-lisachuk-128262/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/deloitte/

Company Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DeloitteUS/

Great Resources From Helena:  https://www.techtarget.com/contributor/Helena-Lisachuk/2019

More Great Resources from Helena: https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/misc/search.html#qr=lisachuk

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Industrial Academy: https://industrialtalk.com/industrial-academy/

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In this week's Industrial Talk Podcast we are starting a new series about Why You Need To Podcast! It is truly not a matter of debate. You need to include Podcasting as a vital platform for improving Sales, Marketing, Branding and humanizing your digital content. In this episode we begin with my “Why”. Why I started industrial podcasting and the positive impact it has had on my business. You can do this, you have to do this to increase opportunities and sales for ongoing future success. Find your podcast “Why” in this episode of the Industrial Talk Podcast.

PODCAST TRANSCRIPT:

00:02                                    Scott MacKenzie, and you're saying to yourself, Hey Scott, where is the intro to the industrial talk podcast? Well, this is a series and it's actually on the topic of why you need to do podcasting. Either you bring it in house and you figure out how to do it, or you find somebody to do it for you. But either way, you need to figure out how to begin bringing podcasting the powerful platform that it is into your sales and marketing and branding strategies, not just for 2020 but on into the future. It's, it's, it's just a medium that will be around for a long time. And if you're not in the game, somebody is going to be in the game and they're going to take advantage of it and, and, and, and you're going to be left out in the cold. So I've had a number of people I've done over, geez, 500 plus podcasts of just great professionals and many have asked me why I'm doing podcasts.

00:56                                    You know, man, he want to know my story of wow, I got into podcasting and, and if you are a listener of the industrial talk podcast, you'll know my story. But if you're not, and if this is the first time you've heard this, uh, I'm going to tell you this story. These are going to be videos. They're going to be 10 minutes or less and they're going to come on out all the time. And we're just trying to make sure that you are successful in your efforts in 2020 to leverage the power of podcasting and how, um, how I approach it and how you can approach it. And I'm here to help any way shape I can. So once again, 10 minutes or less, these are going to be videos. And, and today I'm going to be talking about why, why I got started and, and, and how it has evolved.

01:41                                    So what happened is I spent a lot of money, spent them on a lot of money, on the traditional stuff. I was doing digital stuff, but I was also doing some um, print and the typical at that time, typical, um, advertising. And you know what? I got for it after spending a lot of money, nothing. And I had a serious lesson that I learned that it is, uh, the, the death rate that exists within the Tricia traditional print is rapid. It gets out there, it dies and there's no way of being able to bring in or see what happens or if the message is resonating, there is a ton of problems. So I was coming back from a client and I said, and I was listening to a podcast and I said, doc, got it. I can do that. I just needed, I just wanted to change the conversation.

02:31                                    I had no plans of anything beyond that. I just wanted to be able to change the plan, approach a client and say, Hey, would you be willing to get on the podcast and talk about positive things and help the listeners be better at what they're doing? It was truly an other focus platform to be able to provide valuable content, tactical, valuable content for you, the listener. And it was, and during that I just said, I'm getting to know these guys and they make decisions and it's a real win win for everybody all around. And it opened up opportunities for sales, marketing, and branding and, and, uh, just, just multiple opportunities. And I said, boy, this is, this is a pretty powerful platform. This is, this is exciting stuff. And, and as a, as you fast forward, as you go forward in time, I realized that we in the industry need to begin to bring this powerful platform into our portfolio of marketing, sales, branding solutions.

03:38                                    And it's not that difficult. And in this, in this series, you'll see how I, you know, you slice it and dice it and create content and why and how the opportunities are missing. Just know that, that there's a best interest here and I want you to be successful. And, and, and for me to just sit back and just say, okay, I do podcasting and that's, that's just not me. And I want it. I want to share with you why. Okay, so if you are looking at this on a video, because it is out there, I'm gonna shift to a slide. And on that slide you'll see, and I'll try to be as communicative, the communicated as I possibly can, but I would, I highly recommend that you go out to industrial talk.com and find this series and you'll see the platform. And then of course I'm going to have the links in it.

04:27                                    You're not going to be left out alone here. But what you'll see is you'll see a slide. And I said, okay, what is my why? Why do I want to do this? And I and I went through this process. And you need to do the same thing. It's this is an industrial platform. You have to think about a platform that you can create that is in it. It creates a bond between you, your customers, your partners, your, your even your prospects. So it's simple. If I'm talking to you and you're on the podcast, we're creating a bond, right? It's, it's, it's spectacular. And I and I, I did not realize that when I went down this road. So it's, it's a really a great bond creating situation. It is a really valuable, this podcast, once it's produced, it's a valuable sales, marketing, branding asset. It's an asset and look at it as an asset and you can take that content, slice dice and do everything you possibly can with that particular product, that asset, it is all about the other.

05:35                                    It helps others, right? It is truly a helpful, beneficial marketing sales solution. It is also, you know, everybody saw, it talks about [inaudible], how do I create content? How do I, and you sit down and you adapt your computer and you start plugging away at trying to create, it's hard. Here is a platform that I can communicate, create content, slice it up, transcribe it, get it out there. I could create blogs, I can do everything from this individual podcast and I'm just, this is why I do this. It's about attention. It's about marketing, it's about sales. But more importantly branding, but very Mo, more importantly, is about the value it brings to your customers, your partners. And your prospects, they like it. It's important people like doing them. It also gains in that conversation. In this back and forth, it gains market intelligence. You truly hear from your prospects, from your customers, from internal extra, it doesn't really matter what are some of the market challenges, what are the behaviors that are taking place in the market and it also creates a platform for digital compounding.

06:59                                    Okay, here's an example one, I do a podcast and I do a podcast for X, okay? And then I will promote that podcast. They will promote that podcast and if they have customers that are on that poker podcast, they will also promote and then that customer can promote it to their prospects. See, it has a compounding effect and you leverage, you leverage as much as you possibly can out of that one single podcast, but it doesn't stop there. And I, and I'm just telling you, I just realized this. Now I get to squeeze as much content and repurpose not just from a video. I could create snippets. I can do all of this stuff from this particular podcast that highlights the individual that highlights the value you're bringing and you know what? It helps people, it helps people to do their job better. Everybody, and I mean everybody wins and that's why you need to, no matter what.

08:06                                    It could be me, it could be others, it could be internal, it could be external, I don't care, but you need to really thoroughly that the necessity to bring in podcasting into your portfolio of your sales marketing, branding, and we're going to go into great detail on why that is important because we're just going to continue to just sort of granularity, but right now you need to do it and I just highly recommend this will be out there on industrial talk.com you need to look at it today, figure it out, contact me. I don't care. I will help you in any way, shape or form. You just need to do it. Thank you very much for joining the industrial talk abroad podcast people. Be brave. Dare greatly change the world. That's what we're all about. Look forward to talking to you. Where do you know what we're going to talk about next time? We're going to be talking about the old way, the old way of communicating. So thank you very much. Look forward to seeing you on the next series of why you need to podcast.

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Live from IoT Solutions World Congress, IIC Voice Podcast interviews Mohan Venkataraman, Chief Technology Officer at ChainYard. In this episode, Mohan is talking Blockchain and permission Blockchain that can support enterprise applications and businesses to securely facilitate transactions and establish trust and privacy in a trust-less business environment. This ability to leverage Blockchain technology is vital to the future success of any company! Mohan and the team at ChainYard are skilled at Architecting, Design, Build, Test and Operate BlockChain systems; helping adopters succeed in their BlockChain Strategy. Get the answers to your Why questions about Permission Blockchain along with Mohan's unique insight on where it's all headed on this IIC Voice Podcast interview!

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MOHAN VENKATARAMAN CONTACT INFORMATION:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/movee97/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/chainyard/

Company Website: https://chainyard.com/

IIC Twitter: https://twitter.com/IIConsortium

IIC Company Website https://www.iiconsortium.org/

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Live from IoT Solutions World Congress, IIC Voice Podcast interviews Alex Smolensky, Co-Founder at Zyfra Company. In this episode, Alex discusses leveraging and investing in industrial digitization solutions to improve production and insights into asset optimization. The ability to leverage technology is vital to the future success of any production company – Alex and Zyfra are at the cutting-edge of this market. Get the answers to your Why questions about Industrial Digitization along with Alex's unique insight on where it's all headed on this IIC Voice Podcast interview!

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexander-smolensky-78227b1/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/zyfra-company/

Company Website: https://zyfra.com/en/

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Live from IoT Solutions World Congress, IIC Voice Podcast interviews Edy Liongosari, Managing Director – Chief Research Scientist at Accenture. In his interview, Edy discusses how technology is shaping and enabling solutions to solve problems that facilitate positive transformation in industry and around the world. In short, technology is changing the world! Get the answers to your Why questions about the brave new world that technology offers along with Edy's unique insight on where it's all headed on this IIC Voice Podcast interview!

You can find out more about Edy and the wonderful team at Accenture from this interview and the links below. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and webinar access to “Building a Better Industrial Sales and Marketing Platform for Greater Success in 2020”. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy!

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edyliong/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/accenture/

Company Website: https://www.accenture.com/us-en

Company Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/accenture/

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In this week's Industrial Talk Podcast we're talking to Josh Ramsey, Founder and CEO of Strategic Point Marketing about Industrial SEO strategies for keeping your company above the fold on important Google search results. If you are NOT above the fold of the Google search results, you are losing business! Remember, 81% of people perform some type of online research before making a large purchase. You need to be on the 1st page of Google results and the top of the fold! Learn more about Josh and how to leverage his valuable insights into Industrial SEO Optimization just follow the links below:

Company Website: https://strategicpointmarketing.com/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-strategic-point/about/

Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuaramsey/

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Live from Inforum 2019, Energizing EAM Podcast interviews Marcela Rascon, Vice President at Stratum Consulting Partners. In her interview Marcela discusses the the flexibility of InforEAM, proven implementation strategies for success and applications in multiple industrial market segments. Get the answers to your InforEAM implementation questions along with Marcela's unique insight on the “How” on this Energizing EAM Podcast interview!

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Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcelarascon/

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Live from IoT Solutions World Congress, IIC Voice Podcast interviews Richard Soley, Chairman and CEO at Object Management Group. In his interview Richard talks about the rapid growth of industrial digitization and the positive impact IoT, IIoT, AI and Cyber Security will have on you and your business today and in the future. Get the answers to your questions along with Richard's unique insight on where it's all headed on this IIC Voice Podcast interview!

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/soley/

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Stratum Consulting interviews Joey Pate, Supervisor, Application Development at Associated Electric Cooperative In this interview, Joey talks about the tactical steps needed to evaluate and deploy a large Enterprise Asset Management platform across multiple businesses. Find out more about Joey and his team by the links below. Also, get your free InforEAM Toolkit, exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and free webinar access to Building a Powerful Sales and Marketing Platform for 2020. All links designed for keeping you current in a rapidly changing Industrial Market. Enjoy!

JOEY PATE CONTACT INFORMATION:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joeypate/

STRATUM CONSULTING CONTACT INFORMATION:

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/stratum-consulting-partners/about/

Company Website https://www.stratumcp.com/

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1. 7 Steps for implementing reliability-based maintenance
2. 10 steps toward a paperless operation with mobile EAM checklist
3. Asset intensive industries, finding the straightest path to the cloud
4. EAM vs CMMS, don't get fooled
5. Infor EAM Brochure
6. Infor EAM Overview
7. 9 fleet management challenges and how to resolve

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