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Scott MacKenzie


Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's go. All right, another great day. Welcome to the industrial talk podcast. My name is Scott MacKenzie, but you know that because you're listening to the industrial talk podcast, this is where we celebrate. That's right. Celebrate the women and men of industry, the women and men of manufacturing and all things in between you are bold, you are brave. You dare greatly you're innovate and you're changing lives and you're changing the world. We thank you, we celebrate you. Thank you for being a hero of industry now on hotseat, Rob Tiffany he's been on this podcast before. Energy is an understatement. He has a great view of IoT and all the stuff that's associated with this digital transformation. And we're gonna be talking a little bit about the heart. Let's get rockin


Yeah, okay, you're saying Scott I understand I understand all everything about this IoT stuff and I digital transformation digital journey digital this and industry for Dotto and edge and it's all great stuff. I love it. Me personally love it, interacting with people like Tiffany and and Stephanie Atkinson and others about this. It's a wonderful conversation. Now, let's let's, let's go beyond that right now. Let's talk a little bit about the heart. Why it is and this is the car compensation. I you know, I don't have all the answers because, you know, we always want to talk about collaboration, innovation and education. That's what we do here. On the podcast, however, we're gonna be talking about the heart, we're gonna be talking about the impact that this wonderful innovation can have on countries that might not have the available resources that that other countries, countries have communities and individuals and lives all around the world. How do we deploy it? How do we help everybody get into the industry for Dotto game? That's what that's about? How about that? It's not your typical podcast, conversation about industry for Dotto. Now, before. Before we continue on to the interview, I want you to get out your you know pencil and paper and this is free. This is free. And if you say to yourself, I can't afford it. It is free. And it's virtual. And there's no excuse, because we're going to be having a panel. This panel is going to be talking about absolutely the the human. The humanizing of the soul digital transformation journey includes a gentleman by the name of this guy right here, Rob Tiffani, Stephanie Atkinson. She's a rock star. She is a duck, God, pepper. And then the last one is Bill Schmarzo. zone. If you've ever heard Bill's bill talk, he will blow your mind. He is that good. They're all that good. We're just going to have this Roundtable, we're going to talk about how we're going to change the world, and how we're going to deploy and how we're going to impact people in need of this particular technology. It's a fabulous conversation, you're saying to yourself, Scott, where the hell can I find this conversation? That's right, pencil and paper time, it's going to be featured on IoT solutions world, Congress, go to their website, boom, it's right there. And you're going to click on digital summit. 2020, digital summit 2020. Now it's going to be a two day event, December 2 to December 3, the first day is going to be artificial intelligence day. Yeah, you need to know that. Yeah, they're gonna be featuring people in that. Yeah, absolutely. And the next day is going to be digital twin day. And if you don't know about digital twin, you need to know about digital twin, powerful innovation to make your company, your business, everything else run like a Cadillac at work guy. So anyway, that's again, go out to IoT solutions World Congress, it's the the URL is IoT. s. World You'll find it. Just type that in. And it's all there. And you're saying, Yeah, you're just saying, Scott, I can't afford it. Yeah, you can't. It's free. It's virtual. Yeah. And it's featuring some of the best. I've worked with the IoT solutions World Congress. professionals out there. The best. They are dedicated to exactly delivering content that is meaningful to you. All right, Rob. Tiffany is on the hot seat. And if you ever go out to a stat card, it's a for me Personally, it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed by it, because I don't even have a fraction of what he brings to the table. I might have better looks than he does. No, he even looks better than I do. I might have more. No, he has more hair. In fact, he's just an all around better person. That's what he is. So go out to a stat cart, Rob Tiffany, he is the VP and head of IoT strategies at Ericsson. And again, the guy's got a huge heart. And we are talking about how we're going to transform this world. What are we going to do in leveraging technology and leveraging solutions about keeping our kids educated? Because we're challenging time? How do we deploy some of this wonderful technology in countries and communities that need it to train and change their lives? Come on, you can't beat this. All right. He's great. You can tell I'm a big fan, president of his fan club now. Anyway, Rob Tiffany's in the hot seat. Enjoy the conversation.


Hey, Rob, welcome


back to the industrial talk podcast. I've been excited about having this conversation for some time. Thank you. You're cool. Hey, great to be back. Thank


you for having me.


You're all cool. listeners. He's cool. Just trust me, I go out. You got to stack card rack there. And don't be frightened by the picture for whatever reason he has out there. It's Rob Tiffany. And then he's got this mop top. He looks like he's, uh, were you surfing then?


Yeah, I think I was in Sweden at that time. Um, you know, prior to all this, which I know sounds backwards. I just said, I'm gonna grow my hair out. I need to be looking more like a rock star, I think. And so I did that. Ironically, when we were allowed to get haircuts again, you know, during COVID, or I went out and just got really, I don't know, it was impulsive as stupid. And now I gotta start all over again. Let's just throw it out.


I mean, to do it. Be be that be edgy. Because I'm telling you that is a cool, you got an angry look out on your stat card, but it's still it's like a cross between anger.


And you're just cool. Is it like brooding?


It is your your? Yeah, you're wrestling with the world's challenges, but you don't care?


Because you're like Rob, James Dean or something carrying it? You know? I don't know.


All right. The last time you might have heard of stock. Rob and I were talking a little bit about the heart and associated with this digital transformation journey and what's, what's sort of BS and what's not what, what makes sense? What doesn't. And from my perspective, is that just like anything else, I really want to pursue the human side of this whole digital journey, and how it's truly not the pie in the sky crap that we hear all the time. Not to say it's crap, it's good stuff. But sometimes, it just got to be real and what is real, and how to bring it down to, to, to real practices, and and impacting communities. People and and just transforming these worlds. Now you've got a foundation called Moab. Yes. Little little background on that, please.


Sure, sure. Yeah, we are trying to keep it real. I'm trying to be the forrest gump to your Lieutenant Dan. And so we're gonna make this happen. Okay. The back story of Moab? Well, gosh. So prior to after building Lumada to Hitachi, there's this period of time I was going to do a start up it was called enterprise IoT, taking everything I've learned from Microsoft and attaching and doing all this stuff and build the ultimate platform ever, right? With all the enterprise features that all the giant companies kept asking for. So I started doing that. And I do like to hike and I spent some time out in Moab, Utah, and there are some anybody who goes to Utah. There's so many great national parks there.


Yeah, here. Here's a side note. I know you go down that journey, but we used to go to Utah. And you know, when I was a boy, all we did was go to a place called miners Ville reservoir, and panguitch Lake, and we just try trout fished. Oh, that's it. I didn't see any other part of Utah.


We just drove arches or no,


no, we just went to Wow, reservoir panguitch


Well, that's planes a lot about you. Okay. I like trout. I hope you're working through those issues. Yeah,


it's now that you bring it up.


Yeah, you know, you go to this little town of Moab, Utah. There's there's, there's Arches National Park and there's canyonlands National Park right around there. And so just crazy exotic stuff. It's good to get up first thing in the morning, and the sunrise is coming, get that great shot. Anyway, started building this IoT platform for companies. And I called it Moab. Let's just give it a name. And so I was like, I like that, you know, and I'll use the cool little arch maybe as a logo, which I guess is what you taught us for their license plates. And it really still really, truly it really started there. And so I was heads down because I still write code and I still design stuff. So I was heads down building, what I was thinking of is the future of this whole IoT digital nonsense that we're involved in right. along the way. Along the way, I was being recruited by Ericsson, where I work today. And so, you know, in the background, I'd be like doing a call every week or two with someone in Ericsson. And anyway, long story short, I probably got the product to MVP stage minimum viable product, v1 ish, where I, we also wouldn't be time for me to go out. fundraising talking to venture capitalists. Right, right. So that brought about that time, I ended up accepting the job with Erickson to do the role that I'm doing, you know, helping out with IoT strategy at Ericsson. And so that product and all that work just kind of got put on the backburner. And, you know, and you you know how it is you start a new job, and you dive headlong into your new job, and you're consuming I don't know how that is, Rob. I'm,


I pretty much stick to what I commit to. And no, I have no clue. I always succeed at what I do.


Right? Yeah, I can see that.


Yeah, I'm that kind of guy.


So yeah, but you know what? So I'm at Ericsson. And about, I'd say six months later, I'd been at different events, IoT events of the week, and I had so many people come up to Hey, whatever happened, all that code you created, Hey, what happened to my Wow, there were analysts already looking at it. And I, and I guess I'm allowed to have a little street cred because of limited Azure IoT. They're like, yeah, yeah, we'll take it seriously. And so I had lots of people, I had people saying, could I have the code? Could I take it through our process, and we'll try to give it new life somewhere else. And so it kind of jogged my memory. And so I started kicking off, you know, the dirt off the product and started kind of goofing around and weekends. And also kind of my mind's like, you know, I think I'm gonna make this open source. And then the bigger backstory, though, as you and I've talked about was, once you have this realization that some of these digital or IoT technologies can play a role outside of business, outside of commerce, it can impact society, and all kinds of things. Yeah, that started happening.


I really, I think, this, this is just, I'm going to find that quote that she, Stephanie Atkins, because we're going to talk a little bit about the other project you're working on, too. But Stephanie Adkins,


Atkinson, Atkinson,


sorry about that. Sorry, Stephanie. Sorry, I just got done. You know, I tried, I get lazy with my names, right.


Yeah. Anyway,


check for good. I like that. I like it when she said that, because I get I get the business part I do you just constantly you're, you're around business people, you're chirping in it. And everybody's in the trenches talking about how tech is helping their business. Move forward. That's all good. But where's the good? Where's that purpose? Where's that? That ability to be able to truly transform communities who need it? Yeah, then be able to do it in such a way that that they can afford it, and then do it so that they have the infrastructure and that if it's helping business, let's help communities and that's what that tech for good. saving it and, and Stephanie, I'm going to steal it, it's probably out there, but I'm gonna really steal it. I'm gonna sit back


for good is a good thing it is. As soon as I realized that I could like peanut butter and chocolate. I could take the Moab IoT platform that I built, and marry it up with those 17 Sustainable Development Goals from United Nations and lineup use cases and execution plans. You know, then you got something there. You know, it's about but it's about volunteers. It's about giving and that's a whole


nother nother level. But the vision is there. And, and I don't know, you're just like a glutton for punishment. You're an Ericsson bigwig, you know, you think big. You're with Ericsson, you're a big wig. And yet you started another company with Stephanie. I'm not sure who else. But it's, it's elevate our And I think that's cool stuff. You realize that in this pandemic, whatever. We call this, this, whatever.


Yeah, they're huge educational


gaps that nobody ever thought about. Absolutely. And you guys sit there on your podcast? What? IoT coffee,


talking to talk? Yeah,


I was telling Stephanie, you guys got to change that. Coffee clutch. I think that's cool. But anyway, you so you guys have this conversation. Tell us. I mean, tell us a little bit about that. What's the pain?


You know, sometimes things just fall into your lap. You know, there are some startups where you're killing yourself to come up with a purpose. Point to solve. Like all of them, like all of them, like all of them, you know, it's like when you watch those commercials on TV and the person's got the tangled hair, and so it's in black and white. And then as soon as they put in the new conditioner, it's in color. Anyway, it's really hard out there. This one fell in our lap. And it's real obvious. And it was a huge pain plan. And in my wife is a schoolteacher. And so I'm feeling Oh, so it makes it real. So all of a sudden, last spring, you know, probably maybe slightly different times for different states. But, you know, they shut down our schools. And they were making stuff up as they went along. No doubt, time, big time. Big time. Yeah. And you know, and so everybody's like, you're going home, if you happen to be in a school district, or a school that had what they call a one to one program, then you may have had a laptop or a tablet assigned to you. It just depends not every school districts the same as we know, night or summer, have PTA, or other organizations that are doing fundraising to get them, you know, iPads or whatever. So anyway, that happened. And all of a sudden, it was like, at least in our kids schools, they did have laptops. And so they said, You're going home, take your laptop with you. And we're going to kind of figure this out. And you had people doing what we're doing now jumping on zoom, you had people who are other school districts that are kind of Microsoft 365, office 365 school districts, because they get a good deal. So those folks are using teams. You know, when you're using all the office products, there's a bunch of schools that are doing Chromebooks from Google. And there's even a whole deal called Google Classroom to help do a total browser based thing. And so there's a lot of kids who have Chromebooks out there. So anyway, a quick realization, it didn't take long, that it's like every kid is at home, and they're all in their little bedrooms on a laptop if they have one. But if guess what if you don't have a laptop, a PC of any kind or something, education ceases, it just stops right there. And so use a student do not progress. some school districts are better able to help you out than others. Or conversely, we would have scenarios where Oh, the kids do have a laptop, but where their houses, maybe their parents, you know, they may not have Wi Fi, you know, or cable modem or anything like that. And so you see this kind of two problems pop up compute power and connectivity, right? Yeah. So we decided, let's do something about that. Let's start a nonprofit called elevator kids. And let's raise money. And let's buy these laptops. At first. We didn't know could we get used ones? And we found out you can't do the use ones. That seemed like the obvious thing to me lower cost, right. So you got to get new ones. Again, school Whoa, whoa,


whoa, you just why can't you get used one? What


what's uh, I heard we got feedback. You know, the different school districts have IT departments. And we got feedback that there's too many, I don't know, too many variables, too many things to potentially deal with. Getting someone else's left needs to be wiped, and


I don't have I gotcha. I just thought they like that.


Yeah, but but but it elevated the problem a little bit more, though, right? Because cost is king, we got to get the cost down. We need to help as many kids as cheaply as we can. Right? And so we can't, you don't see any school districts handing out MacBook Pros to kids. That doesn't. That's crazy money, right? It's Yeah, it's cheapest possible to deliver education over the Internet to kids. And so and so yeah, you see, trying to find laptops that are 200 or $250, maybe $300, you know, kind of these, you know, either Windows PCs, or some of these Chromebooks as appropriate. So that was the gist of it. You know, real simple idea. Kids don't have laptops, let's help get them laptops.


Give me It's cool. Don't get me wrong. Now, with that said, I would imagine, in some neighborhoods, some parts of the country, do you have a sort of an idea of how many schools fall into the category that how do we do you know, online learning when we don't, they don't have access to the computers? Do you have any idea of that?


We have a little bit of an idea. Because we've had other organizations or reach out to us that are at JSON, we've had organizations like, you know, do you remember there was some of the cares act or whatever. And they were distributing money around that. We've met with people who have a better idea of what's kind of going on underneath the surface. You know, how many millions of kids don't have a computer right now? Is is the thing, right? Yeah. And so, so we've been directed to certain cities, for instance, you know, I think we're, we're learning as we go along, right? Yeah, you know, we have this idea. Let's raise money. Let's get laptops. Let's find out. The school districts that need them, and get them to them and just give them


it just like anything else. You're, it's a journey, you don't have that, you know, the, the the right answer right off, you know, you just say, hey, there's a need, we need to do this. And therefore, do it. Yeah. And see where it goes and then adjust.


And we've even started talking to because that that parallel need, they talked about the connectivity, if the kids don't have, you know, you've heard of maybe some school districts bringing in like Wi Fi hotspots, LTE kind of things to bring an internet if they don't have it. So that's another thing. You know, teamwork mobile's doing a big thing, I think called Project 10 million to get connectivity out to the kids. See, 10? Yeah, it's a big part, you know, this awesome country of ours is not as connected as we would like to think it is. You know, there's a whole lot of people, whether it's rural areas, or in big cities that don't have even minimal connectivity. So


how did you decide that your first target? Like, okay, we got, we got computers? We're How did you say, we'll go here? Wow, how is that sort of evaluation?


Yeah, well, the website certainly allows school districts or teachers to submit information to us. But the other side, but like lots of things that fall in your lap, Stephanie had connections with a, with a company, you know, some a large company. A lot of big companies have parts of their organization where they give to charity, right. And they even have a budget for how much they give to charity. And so we were fortunate enough to make some connections in that vein, to be able to get money from them. And they told us, they had some specific cities in mind. And they'd already done statistics on things. So no genius on our part, you know, as far as bumbling stumbling down the road, right? We got some guidance there. And then we keep talking to different organizations, it turns out, it's all hands on deck. And there's lots of good people out there trying to help out. And so we've had different calls with different folks. And they'll tell us, oh, this city's maybe it's in good shape for the school districts in good shape. You don't need to worry about it. Move on to this one. Yeah, it's been really interesting.


Yeah. Because out on the website, which I'm out there, good looking website, good looking. And they're saying it's estimated that 15 to 25 million students lack access to laptops and computing devices for at home and remote learning. Yeah, and we have no idea how long this is going on. Not. And and you can't you can't lose a generation. I mean, you got to, you know, education, especially at that it sort of builds and builds and builds. And, and, and you just sort of stopped it cold.


You're absolutely right. And so you're right, every day, that kid doesn't have a computer. It's as if they didn't go to class that day. And you're right, they're falling further and further behind. Yeah. And you know what, and then of course, you see those, sometimes it's just everybody's in the same boat. And sometimes different socio economic levels of people are more likely to not be the ones who can connect than others. And so it causes a more of a divide that way across the income strata and things like that, where you are in the world. You there's a lot of ways that the badness of not getting educated can be amplified, even in a bad way. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. And it's not like something like, oh, no worries, we'll get around to it, we'll get you those computers. It's not that at all. There's a ticking clock. That's, you know,


you know, one day they were going to school the next day, they weren't. And then and then schools are trying to figure it out. months go by months. It's not it's months. And and and if there's still a gap of 15 to 25 million, it's going to be a year out of school to a certain extent for a year.


Yeah, you're right. You're right.


That's sad. How does your how's your wife dealing with it? I mean, if she's a teacher she's doing remotely was she having a good time?


She's working more hours than she's ever worked as a teacher ever, as dealing with more politics than she ever imagined as well, that makes it hard. You know, a lot of teachers would love it if they could just teach their class. But there's so many other things. So in the spring, it was like send all the kids home and we're winging it, right. And they're just trying to keep them going. But you know, as they formulate a plan, and I think that's where all the schools were going into spring and finishing up for last year going into summer. Coming back. There were illusions, delusions. I don't know what you want to call it during the summertime that we had maybe beaten this thing down a lot of schools saying we're going to go back in person. Yeah. And some tried and had to pull out shortly thereafter as things started spiking and so, so anyway, my wife while she was at home during the springtime while they're winging it. She is she just goes to her classroom at the elementary school, because they have great internet there. Right? Yeah. You have, right? Yeah. And it's good to get away from the house, too. Right. And so get away from me, of course. And so being there being able to have all the stuff she needs to do. But you know, what, what a learning experience for her and these kids, because she's teaching them primarily on teams a little bit on Zoom. US and all the office products are using touchscreen laptops. Yeah. And doing some whiteboard stuff with pins. You know, it's interesting, in some ways, these kids will be more advanced. They're learning about some they're getting a crash course, on in technology and a lot of the digital, they're getting digitally transformed. Yeah, a big time. Yeah, yeah, it's just being forced down their throat. It's like it's sink or swim. My wife is also finding herself having to be part of the Geek Squad, and having to do it because she'll have kids say, I can't hear the volumes not work.


Go down to the right left hand corner. I think you're on mute. I see that you're on mute. Yeah, have that conversation?


Yeah, there's a lot of things because there's probably problems with the actual computers themselves. And all of a sudden, she's burning up time doing tech support, also. And so


but but also, I can't, I would imagine, I'm not a teacher. And I when I, I did teach at a university, but I could see when somebody was struggling, you could see it, it's like, they're there. But it's harder, virtually, it's harder to see the kids that are sort of struggling, how is she dealing with that?


It is hard, because she had some kids that just kind of disappear. Or they're just not, they're more than just checked out. They're just like, not showing up. They're messing around with whatever.


I mean, it's easy. I, I went over here and I looked at your website, and I started getting some and you were talking and I was just like, you know, it's easy. Ah,


parents play a big role in this too. You know? And boy, there's other stories there about how tough it is for two working parents. Yeah, you got to take care of and you're seeing, you know, this is causing a problem there too. How long, you're having to be on top of their if their kid is inclined to you know, not pay attention. And you know, because there's a whole other deal about school in the class. It's called classroom management, where you burn up time trying to try to keep the kids in line, right? Yeah, yeah, focus so they can teach. It's not like me going doing a training class on some technology. And everybody's there is wants to be there and paid a lot of money to be there. Here, you know. And so that problem that you had to do in person on classroom management to get Sally and Johnny to stop goofing around. Well, now it's online. They can share screen she can talk out, Hey, I know. Hey, Sally, hey, Tommy, what are you doing? But it is more difficult? Yeah. It's, and I think it's gonna be a mixed bag. You know, I feel I feel like she's she's feels like her kids are really getting the hang of things. But she talks to other teachers who are really struggling, and the kids are struggling. I think that's a whole I don't think they're in love with this way of learning. But, uh, but yeah, it's a thing.


Yeah, I, again, I don't have an answer. I just, I understand it, you have and, and, you know, kudos to you guys that just said, okay, we can do our part. And that part is, okay, kids are not connected. Here's a computer, let's try to drive to you have a computer that you want to. I mean, let's, let's see that computer real quick. drive the price point down and give them the ability to, you know, do something, and it's up to the teacher. But go ahead.


I think I may have shown this before. Early inspiration, I'm getting laptops in the hands of kids, you know, this is the Old One Laptop per Child, they tried to get down to $100 laptop way back when that didn't work out. But like a play school toy,


you know, there's a wheeled chalk for your truck.


Exactly. A kinetic thing to power it up by hand. You know, like, when you have a really great, you know, that you can wind up or like, so here's what is something new today, that kind of is like that, because so much of this is about economics, right? raspberry pi.


So kids might know about the Raspberry Pi from you know, it's teaching them like if they were doing some STEM classes, you know, engineering, learning how to program laybys learning how to solder and stuff like that. And so, the Raspberry Pi not this thing, obviously. But the you know, the device that you normally think of, you know, this thing here Yeah, yeah. Familiar Raspberry Pi. Yeah, yeah. I guess Guess where I'm at. And it's not like any genius on my part, this Raspberry Pi 400 is a souped up version of the Raspberry Pi four. And so it's pretty fast. Now it's got all these ports that look like just a normal computer. So they put the I managed to read design the Raspberry Pi four, and put it inside this keyboard. And so the computer is the keyboard, you know, so you just plug it into a mouse and plug into a monitor and you're you're off to the races. So what I'm going to do and what I wanted to as soon as I saw this and the price point 70 bucks for the keyboard, you can now obviously you can spend some more money, getting the mouse and a few other accessories and things like that. But we're talking really low costs, because we're part of our ability to execute with elevate our kids, as you know, we get so much money through fundraising or whatever. I want to be able to give as many kids as many computers as possible, right? And so of computers are always costing me 250 or 300, or 400 or whatever. But so the big experiment here is this computer, yes, it runs Linux. And that might be a little weird for kids. But we'll see we can mask that. But the big takeaway is it runs the chromium web browser, which is kind of the open source, you know, the baseline of the powers Chrome, and it actually powers Microsoft Edge


now as well, who No kidding. I didn't know that.


Yeah, who knew. So if there are a lot of kids who are just completely doing stuff through their browser, you know, it could be Google Docs or sheets, if they're doing google classroom, they could be doing the web versions of Word and Excel, and PowerPoint and office 365. You can always do the web version of teams or zoom. So I'm going to go through I'll do a video and walk through but I just need to double check for myself. But it is possible to accomplish all those tasks. That a kid maybe who might normally get, let's say a Chromebook, for instance. And we can do this at a lower price point. Then it's certainly something we could add to our portfolio or whatever you want to call it of getting computers out to


kids. It's I'm out though the website right now. And and it's


it's pretty cool. It is cool.


And as cool as a former owner of a Commodore 64 Look at that.


They were thrilled. They were brilliant idea. That is right. They were brilliant computer in the keyboard. Yeah, shit, man.


I got How about that? I thought I was really big stuff with the Commodore 64


you were big stuff. I


wish I still had it big. Tell me


But yeah,


no, that is great. Yeah, I just, you know, once again, pre virus, we were somewhat lazy. We just didn't see some of the but post virus, we're really focused on things that really mean something that are, you know, I'm not wasting my time. I don't have the luxury of wasting my time. I need to do something for my business for my family, for my kids for whatever I need to pinpoint focus, because I don't have the luxury. And the world has changed. Yeah, and I don't think it's ever gonna really go back to something. But but it's, it's forever changed.


I think we'll learn a lot through this. Hopefully, we've learned a lot through this experience.


Then they even have dropped in, go out to that raspberry products, raspberry 400 type it in. tons of information about that. Yeah, wrap this up there. Rob, thank you very much. You're okay. You, you and Stephanie and smartvault are all great people and appreciate you guys being on the podcast, because this is great stuff.


That's outstanding.


All right, listeners. We're gonna have to wrap it up on the other side, you know, don't go away. We're gonna give you all the contact, even even the raspberry stuff I'm gonna put out there so that you and his contact in turn saying hey, I'm interested in donating, everything will be out there. Everything so don't complaining to me that you can't find a lion. Alright, thank you, Rob, again for joining us.


Thanks for having me. It's been great.


Hang tight there, guys. We're gonna wrap it up on the other side. Stay tuned.


You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.


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About the author, Scott

I am Scott MacKenzie, husband, father, and passionate industry educator. From humble beginnings as a lathing contractor and certified journeyman/lineman to an Undergraduate and Master’s Degree in Business Administration, I have applied every aspect of my education and training to lead and influence. I believe in serving and adding value wherever I am called.

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